First off, what exactly is a reasonable amount of violence? I know it doesn't involve shooting up malls and a gang roaming thru a city, shooting at everyone. So assassination missions count, since it is not flat out violence (unless needed), for example there is two ways Riplei's and Mordred's first mission together could go. One is (Keep in mind this is an office and their target does deserve it and it's Tempting, not any of the other stories) where they systematically move their way up to the target, with a few short gun fights before than. The other is what I call, the Phenix Way; they move in and warn the target that they are closing in on them and they better make things easier on them. The other, what is the rules on homepages? Obviously not scam sites or others like those, but what about sites like Twitter, Youtube, or others like them?
I would be interested in these answers as well, though, in my experience, gangs shooting up everything is fine, as long as there's nothing sexual about it...
Violence is best to keep it toned down this is a sex site not a gore sight. I'll let others explain deeper. I don't follow the second question. Can you elaborate further?
As far as I can ascertain as long as violence isn't the kink, you're okay. If it is you'll have to at least watch where you are stepping. Legit adventure and action scenes should be fine.
I think the rule of thumb is basically "No violence for violence sake" So having fairly graphic violence is fine (My story Beast Unleashed and Those Damned Dogs both have a lot of violence) as long as it is in service of the overall story. So a character getting into a knife fight with one of the villains and killing them is fine but stopping the plot to describe a random person being disemboweled is not. Also it is worth thinking about to what end you are using the violence. Say you had a car crash in the story where the MC had a leg crush and caught in the wreckage. I think it would be fine to describe that in a fair amount of detail if the end goal was to horrify the reader. TBH I have yet to run up against this as a problem. I kinda think they would be better off changing the advice to stating that Guro or Gorn is not allowed instead of talking generically about "violence"
As evidenced by the fact that I, (who have an abnormally advanced command of the English language,) do not know what Guro and Gorn are, I suspect it would be better to have a disambiguation page set up somewhere...
A page stating what Guro and Gorn is would be great and helpful, though I suspect Gorn is gore porn, though it sounds like something from Star Wars.
Well Guro is just Gore and Porn put together. It is kinda vague although it tends to refer more to ultra-violence in the Mortal Kombat sense. In some ways I think that would fly better since it does tend to be so extreme it passes through being horrifying and becomes funny. Guro is basically body horror played for eroticism. I really don't want to go looking for stuff to link to but it can get very extreme. A simple example is killing someone during sex and continuing to have sex with the corpse. It has a lot of crossover with Vore and other things like that.
When it comes to writing, the degree of violence is all about the depth of description. A single person taking a punch to the face can be more visceral than an entire city being vaporized by a nuclear bomb, depending on the amount of detail one goes into. Probably the most descriptively violent scene I've ever written for CHYOO is one in the story "The Virgin Games" in which one of the characters breaks her leg, and I describe in some detail how the jagged edge of the bone is protruding from her shin and the terrible pain she is in. I did this because I felt it was necessary to convey the horror and distress felt by the protagonist, who was faced with having to save her friend from bleeding to death. Even though this was a scene which would probably be censored on U.S. network television due to the gore factor, I felt all right about including it because it was a critical plot development, it was realistic, and it had nothing to do with sex. I think the best rule of thumb to follow is to avoid violence for its own sake. There's a difference between violence which advances the plot and keeps the story grounded in reality, and violence which is there for gratuitous shock value. I would guess that the rule is there because those who run the site want to avoid violent rape-fantasy stories. Unfortunately, there are people out there who get a sexual thrill out of people being beaten bloody, and they didn't want this site to become a magnet for such people.
So violence is ok but gore for Gore's sake in a sadist way isnt? Seems reasonable to me. Was worried that vampire stories might be in question as drinking blood and fucking is kinda what they do
I don't think we've ever had any issues with a vampire story. EDIT: Strictly on the grounds of the 'vampire' aspect I mean...
If someone, say, gets shot in an action-movie sense- not lingering on the effect of the wound or gushing on for paragraphs about destroyed organs and spewing fluids- I suspect you're fine. Just about anything that could occur in a BDSM scene- beating, restraint- you're likely on safe ground, though I wouldn't go breaking bones or disjointing limbs or anything. If a character is shooting someone to create new points of sexual entry...? You're probably going too far. Also, "guro" is a term that originated in describing manga and anime (Japanese comics and animation.) It implies an intersection of pornography and horror- maiming, insect infestations, extreme body modification, and similar nastiness.
I'm wondering about this too, since I was considering writing a story involving a bunch of violence, and I'd rather be on the safe side before putting a bunch of work into it. The rules really need a clarification, since some people here are saying its about the intent/purpose, whereas the rules as written only imply the level of violence (while still being unhelpfully vague). I recently read a story here, that while not particularly bloody/gory (actually free of blood altogether, iirc) still featured rape and violent death (via neck snaps and any which means of asphyxiation) as its primary point, and since that's been around for like 3 months now, I take it that level of violence is okay at least; so if I roughly stay within that degree, I should be fine, right? (Especially since there's also an older story that features and ending with a woman executed by being raped until she dies of internal bleeding, nothing I was considering gets anywhere near that)
There's only so much clarifying one can do on a rule like this, because it's essentially about taste and context. No matter how carefully one describes how THIS is allowed and THAT is not, there will always be reasonable exceptions and arguments. For example, imagine you're watching a car chase in a James Bond movie, and Bond triggers one of his car's defense mechanisms. The terrorist chasing him on a motorcycle finds his helmet visor suddenly obscured by black paint, and he crashes into an oncoming truck at about 80 mph (and even with a helmet on, that's unquestionably a fatal collision!). Now, imagine you're watching a movie where a child drops and breaks a dish, and is subsequently slapped in the face by his abusive mother, three times. A trickle of blood runs down from the corner of his mouth as he tries desperately to hold back tears. Which of those scenes would be more upsetting? For me, it would definitely be the second one. And yet, the first scene is objectively far more violent - a man DIED, after all, whereas in the second scene the kid was only slightly hurt (physically). So it's not just the level of violence by itself that matters when it comes to our visceral reaction to it; it's about how and why the violence happens, who commits the violent act and who suffers from it, and how intensely it is shown or described. It's just not possible to write rules which cover all of that - and if someone tried, it would be a book in and of itself, so who would read it? However, I would say that any "raped to death" scene likely violates the rules, and if it were reported then the chapter would be removed. The admins can't possibly read everything that gets posted on CHYOA, so they depend on the rest of us to help them.
I think you could do a raped to death scene without crossing the line as long as you arent focused too much on violence or gore. For example orgasms were described as little deaths so maybe if after the orgasm the man or woman passes away that might be seen as acceptable depending on how it was written. True it is very hard to draw the line because it depends on gut feelings. For example you could include a fight scene where a bad guy gets ground up in a wood chipper but if you go into explocit detail about the arousal of another character who is seeing someone slowly cut up by a wood chipper then i think that definitely crosses the line in some peoples eyes.
