How do you reconcile your fetishs in your writing

Discussion in 'Authors' Hangout' started by Jinraider, Mar 12, 2022.

  1. Jinraider

    Jinraider Experienced

    I'm a person who has just recently started uploading chapters of his own to Chyoa. Admittedly, I never expected to really get into writing erotica but somehow, I find this site is the easiest to get my ideas out there. But as a beginner, and one with delusions of making their stories enjoyable, I still find injecting my personal preferences and fetishes hard at times in my style of writing specifically, even though I want to. I find that extremely ironic, considering this is Chyoa, one of the major hubs on the internet for erotic literature.

    Let me explain: I feel that most stories I see on Chyoa (and indeed, most erotic media in general) to fit on a sliding scale between Story and Romp. Stories tend to focus on being written more like a story, with engaging characters, overarching plots, etc. with erotic elements (The Affection Multiplier is an excellent example), whereas Romps are more focused on the Power Fantasy elements, and having the main character do as they want without concern for morality or consequences (Any of the mind control stories focused on real life celebrities would be examples here).

    Out of these, I feel I trend towards more the Story side of the spectrum; it seems that when I try to take a power fantasy laden concept, and expand it out into a chapter/multiple chapters, the expansion ends up shifting it from a Romp to a Story, since I naturally add in more character moments, more introspection, etc. during the expansion process. While this can work in some cases, it can stymie me in other cases, like when I want to add in some of my more...controversial fetishes into my writing.

    I imagine many of us have 'those' fetishes that we enjoy reading about, but when examining the implications of, it falls apart really quickly. For me, it's impregnation/pregnancy, especially when it's one man doing it to multiple women. I hope I don't need to explain why, in the real world, this would be a terrible thing to happen, but in Romp type stories, the issues associated with this can be safely ignored in favor of the Power Fantasy.

    However, much as I like to indulge in this fetish, I find the idea of incorporating it into my writing hard, since again, I trend towards Story typed chapters. And fun as impregnation is, it falls apart quickly the moment you start thinking about the consequences of it, and the implications it has for the woman in question (questions like: what does this mean for their job? If they're single, how do they deal with a baby? etc.)

    The easy answer is to just not add it in, but to me, that feels like a defeatist attitude. Surely, the point of Chyoa is to write about things that appeal to you? And there's always the possibility that I'm making a mountain out of a molehill as well, so how do others reconcile your fetish's implications in your writing?
     
  2. Zeebop

    Zeebop CHYOA Guru

    If you want to write it, write it. It is better to write what interests you, what you're engaged in, than to try and follow what you think should be done. Whether or not the consequences ever come into effect is up to you as a writer.

    To speak from experience in Lois Lane's Night Out - the main storyline (chapters 1-20) are essentially all set during the course of a single night. Impregnation can happen, but in most cases the actual effects of pregnancy, disease, bad relationships, etc. aren't felt. That's what the epilogues are for, because an arbitrary amount of time can pass between chapters and I can explore the effects of previous decisions however I want. Sometimes that's good, sometimes that's bad...and I enjoy the freedom to explore both possibilities.

    Sometimes, users will comment in on what they want to happen next during a given branch, and I do my best to accommodate them. Sometimes that will include fetishes I don't particularly share or care for. Which is fine; I take it as a challenge to try and see what someone would find erotic or exciting about a given kink, and how it can be worked into the ongoing story. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

    Is it any good? Hell, I don't know. There are mistakes that have been made, and if I had to start over again (which I will do, with a different character, when I finally finish this one) I'd do it all differently. That doesn't mean it isn't good to get the words out onto the page. Ultimately, whether a story or a romp, the point is to express something for yourself as much as the audience. If you can do that, I call it a win.

    So if you want to focus on impregnation...do it. Figure out how your characters would react to that situation. Maybe it'll work out, maybe it won't. All endings don't have to be happy, all endings don't have to be sad.
     
  3. saktongmanyak

    saktongmanyak Experienced

    I also write on the Story side of the spectrum, and do have a branch I'm writing for The Affection Multiplier. I feel your dilemma with the impregnation/breeding/pregnancy risk fetish possibly affecting your characters, since I had the exact same dilemma when my readers overwhelmingly suggested it as a fetish I should explore. I feel like I lost a lot of them when I made the decision to not explore that fetish for the time being as it places me in the same situation you mentioned — having to figure out what a pregnancy will entail for that character. I have two characters going to college, and getting them pregnant most assuredly would affect their lives. I also wrote an MC who wouldn't be fond of putting his children up for adoption or aborting them, so I wrote myself into a corner there in terms of exploring that fetish also.

    I still try to make concessions and will explore a preg-risk kink for one character, and impregnating another character; but when the fetish is for it to be done on multiple characters, I know those concessions aren't enough. I basically only really plan to explore impregnating everyone once the story I want to tell is over, and I can implement a happily ever after, but I know that's not enough for people who look for that kink specifically. However, since it's not my own fetish, it was an easy decision for me to not explore it fully during the bulk of the story I want to tell. I don't suggest you quit on finding a solution for your fetish though, as there's always a workaround if you really want to explore the fetish enough.

    I checked your story and since you write for Sexual Privilege, and the world you jumped on gives room for you to explore the impregnation fetish, I think you can find a way to make it work for you. My suggestion is that the women find being impregnated be part of the cure to MC's Yellow Fever. Since it is a part of curing the MC, other Asian women will be supportive of the new mother and help her in any way (financially or otherwise) in order for her to give birth without dilemma as if it's part of helping cure MC. You can even help build the harem that way if you prefer. Since other Asian Women are now drawn to helping the girl you just impregnated, MC can now more easily impregnate the others who are trying to help the first girl he impregnated so on and so forth. Since it's normal to get pregnant off of MC and being helped by others is assured, it becomes less of a problem that the characters won't have to worry about it and affect their characterization. Heck, MC can impregnate a rich Asian girl that can afford to support so many babies, the new mothers wouldn't even be bothered with the consequences to the point that they don't bother acknowledging their pregnancy as much unless you want to write about it. That's just an off-the-top-of-my-head suggestion though, and you can probably find a better solution that works for you.
     
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  4. Jinraider

    Jinraider Experienced

    First off, I want to thank you for checking out my branch of Sexual Privilege; I hope you've enjoyed what I've done with it so far.

    I will admit, much of what you suggested for how impregnation gets incorporated into the story is ideas that I have considered myself, especially the part about how impregnation could be used as the 'cure' to the MC's fever. Again, though, this comes down to an issue between my innate desires and what I feel would be best on a Story level. For example, in my chapter for Oblivious (https://chyoa.com/chapter/Louise---A-College-Senior---A-Ring-Made-With-Love.1100257), I initially wanted to get Louise pregnant off the written sexual encounter. But when writing her character and what she's done, I felt it was most likely that she'd be on birth control making pregnancy unlikely (though I compromised by having her state she'd stop doing it and wanting to have Jeremy's child). Taking a step back though, I realise there's no real reason I can't have gone with my initial plan, besides the logical part of my brain telling me that I shouldn't.

    Likewise for the Yellow Fever branch, I again have the sides of desire vs logic going at me here. This is a spoiler for my plans with the branch (sorry to anyone who is still invested with where I go with it), but I'm planning on writing a chapter where the MC has an appointment with a doctor (whom 'helps' him first, natch) concerning how to treat his Yellow Fever, which will end up being needing women to fulfill his fetishes. Considering I'm doing the writing, the one on the top of the list will probably end up being getting girls pregnant. But while I'm not opposed to writing that fetish in (I can easily hand wave the consequences using similar justifications to what you suggested), the question is "how far do I go with it?"

    My innate desire basically wants me to go full Romp with this; I plan to have a statement saying that the MC's class will be filled with female high school seniors (18+ obviously), all of whom will be more than happy to have his children. I could even also have him visit many female-centric areas to the same effect (If I could, I'd have encounters with maid cafes, idol groups, and the female-only train car that I mentioned in Out and About). Considering I can hand wave the consequences well enough, I could do that...if it weren't for the fact my logical side says I would be shafting Emiru by doing so. Again, slight spoiler, but at time of writing I'm about 90% sure I'm going to end the day that the MC and Emiru are having with a sexual encounter where Emiru gets impregnated, the main twist being that she does it not because she wants to 'help' the MC with his fever, but because it makes him happy, and essentially a sign of her love/devotion. I would also want to do something similar with other girls I'd write in once the school phase gets underway as part of the MC's 'main' harem (though I am planning on stopping/putting the story on haitus once I introduce the school/class). I like this idea, because I can easily have POV chapters showing how the impregnation is handled from the girls' perspective, even possibly showing the thought process that led them to making that decision...but I'm pretty sure the impact of said scenes would be lost if I had the MC go full hentai protagonist and get most girls he comes across pregnant anyway.

    So hopefully, you can see how the two sides of myself are at war with how I want to do this. This may just be my inexperience, but one thing I don't think I've stressed enough is that I have tried making more Romp styled stories in the past, but in writing them I end up making them Story like instead (my Oblivious chapters being an example). And as I said, I don't like the idea of needing to sacrifice my own desires or character moments just because I want to add in one or another. I believe both can co-exist; it's just that my mind is currently convinced that they can't, or moreover, doesn't know how they both can.
     
  5. saktongmanyak

    saktongmanyak Experienced

    I think that was the same thought process I had when I decided to only place the preg-risk kink on one of my characters and having another character get pregnant during the main part of the story and not just towards the end. I feel like the impregnation within the main bulk of the story needs to at least feel unique, and the decision of the other girls to get pregnant towards the end of the story is just the natural progression of their relationship with my MC.

    Maybe to answer your initial question of how I reconcile fetishes in my writing, I make accepting the fetish part of the story. For example, I'm writing an incestuous relationship between father and daughter. Before they got together, the father bought a magical trait that normalizes incest (not having thought of its full consequences) because he wants to pursue his former babysitter who also happens to be his cousin. So yeah, that decision led to his daughter being more open to her attraction towards him, and I reasoned out that his buying of the trait freed her from the burden of feeling like there was something wrong with her for being attracted to her father prior to it being normal. I also have a character who is submissive, and has somewhat exclusively gotten off to roleplaying as a submissive to her dom (which MC isn't yet). So, MC now has to learn being more dominant for her. I also figured out story reasons as to why MC would need to sleep around with non-harem members more (as I'm also attempting to make my story more Romp-like), in order for him to buy traits for the actual harem members. A set-up that his girlfriends/harem accepts, understands, and even encouraged. I'm not saying that my reasoning isn't flawed in some of what I've written, but some people have flawed thinking sometimes, so it's not a big deal. I just chuck up my bad reasoning to the character's bad reasoning. XD

    In your case though, and since it's your fetish you want to highlight, maybe you can differentiate how each character's thought process is different before deciding to get pregnant by the MC? Highlight the certain issues they'll have if they do get pregnant, maybe flesh out their backstory as you explain those issues, and show how MC and the rest of the harem can help her assuage those issues — making their decision to get pregnant still be unique and have impact. You can play around their character backgrounds enough that each decision to get pregnant with MC is a progression of their character. Granted, that makes your story lean heavily on being a Story instead of a Romp, but you did mention you lean towards writing the former anyway, despite your desire to write something towards the latter.

    On that note, a further suggestion that might help you make it more Romp-like is limiting your time-frame. MC makes the most of his days so that the impact of the pregnancy (the morning sickness, their bellies getting bigger, etc.) don't have too much of an impact in the story since it's happening within three to four months within the canon of the story. You can make MC impregnate as many girls as he can before the first baby bump appears.
     
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  6. Jinraider

    Jinraider Experienced

    Man, it's like you're reading my mind here :D! Once again, that suggestion is very similar to what I would want to write in for the branch if I decided to move forward with it; I would want each girl go through an 'arc' or sorts with the MC focusing on them as characters and having them reaching their own unique conclusions as to why their feelings for him go beyond merely helping him to becoming lovers in his harem, and probably getting knocked up. Of course, I'd have to figure out ways to make each of them special, and have previous girls (Emiru especially) remain relevant even after their arc is completed, but that's not as relevant for this discussion.

    However, as you mentioned, this is more on the Story side of the spectrum, which isn't bad; I can already picture how I'd go about it in my mind, which would make putting it into words easier (assuming I'm a good writer, that is). However, and I want to keep stressing this, is that trying to inject Romp elements into this I fear will be a case of having my cake and eating it; in the Yellow Fever branch, that'd be the MC basically ordering different girls to attend to him with clockwork regularity. Doing so runs risk of ruining the weight of the decisions the harem girls make; what's the point of having, say, six or more different girls come to a resolution and offer to bear the MC's child out of love when he's already had risky sex with like thirty other girls, and possibly (or definitely) knocking them up?

    I'd be interested to hear what reasons you came up to justify this, because lack of encounters with non-harem members was one of the only real nitpicks I had with the main branch of AMA (The all girls school works as background information to make the MC an outcast, but it's not really utilized beyond that. Also, I'm very greedy). I also want to hear the ideas you have for how to harem members accept and encourage such encounters, since I tend to fall back on the "Oh, the MC's such a great guy that he'll still love us even if he's balls deep in some other girl!" justification (admittedly, since I like MCs who are kind and nice and all that stuff, this is my favourite way to do it).
     
  7. saktongmanyak

    saktongmanyak Experienced

    My suggestion would be to use that as how you can differentiate the Harem girls from the rest of the romp. MC likes impregnating girls and being risky with his romps, but most of the romps he has are either on birth control or they just don't get pregnant first try. Since the POV is MC and he believes he's impregnating these girls, it's enough for the reader to believe that too, I would think. He doesn't have conversations with those romps about pregnancy, which kind of highlights the character connection he has with the harem since they'll actually talk about the ramifications of being pregnant. You can even introduce a harem member that way, where they start as a romp but get pregnant, and now MC has to deal with the consequences and maybe begin to like that girl in the process. It can even be a way to inform the harem of the risks he's been taking with these romps, and you can have your characters react differently to that info (but ultimately allow them to accept... or not. That can be a story too, and gives consequences to the MC's actions).

    My MC just got cheated on by his wife resulting in a divorce. His first romantic relationship is with a returning grown up version of the girl he's been babysitting since she was a child and someone who has had romantic feelings for him since she was younger — named Cassie. My bizarro reasoning for her to actually be open to having him pursue multiple relationships is because her best friend (MC's daughter) wants her dad to explore his options before going back to a steady relationship (since he's been married for literally more than half his life). Cassie reconciles this by saying she doesn't actually care about having MC to herself, since she never imagined having him on her own, since she knew him and grew feelings for him while MC was still married. Those were my character reasons why I thought those two would be okay with MC having a harem set-up. The other ones, I actually just said, they're open to it because they're actually open to it and they trust MC because he is, admittedly, a nice guy (like I said, sometimes my reasoning is flawed).

    As for having the harem encourage MC to go on romps, I tied it up to the original reasoning of the daughter of having her dad explore as much as he can so he can move on from her mother, as well as Cassie being open to the idea of it already since she wants my MC to be happy. Since that was the original parameters of the relationship, it kinda snowballs to the rest of the harem who begin to like him; and, therefore, would actually benefit from the set-up since they get to be with my MC also. Since they benefitted from the set-up, they now can't be against it once they're together. Also, yes, I lean heavily on the "Oh, the MC's such a great guy that he'll still love us even if he's balls deep in some other girl!" justification too XD. I also started an incentive based way for them to be more encouraging since the AMA gives points every time someone reaches 50 or 100 points. Since you can convert points, and Lust Points being the most farmable points, they actually encourage him to get those points in order to have enough points to convert for purchases for them. I kinda made the girls more accepting of the app since they'll benefit from it also kind of scenario. Like I said though, I'm only just beginning to make my story Romp-like. So this is like 160+ chapters deep into my story already lol. I needed to establish my MC as actually someone who is a nice guy and thinks he's content with what he has; so it's actually the girls that encourage him to explore for everyone's benefit. That's before he buys a trait called 'Normalized Polyamory' too, so the mentality of the established harem members are already accepting of that set-up before the 'brainwashing' (he buys normalized polyamory so that the girls don't get jealous of each other, which they all agree helps in managing a large relationship). Yeah, so those are my overthought but still very much porn logic-y justifications XD

    I'm not sure how much that helps in you figuring a way to justify your own MC's actions, but I hope it gives you ideas... or at least encourages you to turn off your brain just a tiny bit so that you can reach a point of suspension of disbelief for the justifications you come up with lol.
     
  8. redstone

    redstone Virgin

    I had the problem with a reader suggesting a male-pregnancy fetish in a message. I couldn't fit it in any current stories I have since it would not be realistically possible in those scenarios. But in special cases I find it usefull to push it into a story in the sci-fi or fantasy genre where you could set up different rules. I have one planned now for a male-pregnancy fetish involving alien parasites infecting monks in a fantasy world monastary. still I like to have story and flashed out characters and the lore and backstory of such stories might expand quite a bit but I like the challenge of coming up with a believable plot around a specific fetish even when it is more far fetched. But I give you that outside of sci-fi and fantasy it is hard to set up more outlandish fetishes.
     
  9. Dissonant Soundtrack

    Dissonant Soundtrack Really Really Experienced

    To be blunt, I tend to ignore those implications. Even for a Story, as you've laid it out, there's still elements of the character's lives that are irrelevant to what the author is going for and therefore get cut. Take a non-erotic example: In The Lord of the Rings, a lot of made of Arwen and Aragorn's love story. She's an immortal elf, she's a human, and so she is destined to outlive him and mourn forever. It's discussed repeatedly, she comes to grips with it over the course of the story, and it becomes a major piece of character development for the both of them.

    By contrast Legolas and Gimli's bromance has a similar problem, but it is never discussed because it's not relevant to their character arcs.

    When it comes to erotica, there is a lot about sex that gets ignored for the sake of titillation.
     
  10. Impregmaniac

    Impregmaniac Really Experienced

    I've been skimming the responses, but I'm not quite sure what the question is.

    From what I understand, you want to write a Romp, but are concerned that it will turn into a Story? And if/once it does, how far can you write along the lines of your kink? Do I have that right?

    Or, are you concerned with writing nothing but impregnation Romps/Stories, when your audience is asking for something else?
     
  11. SeriousBrainDamage

    SeriousBrainDamage Really Really Experienced

    I too skimmed the responses, too long and specific, sorry.


    If I get it right, the problem is that he is driven towards his kink(impregnation), but also wants to write a proper Story, and these two things conflict because his kink has a lot of implications that are difficult to fit in a credible plot.

    So, then, he would like to write a Romp but always ends up going into Story direction because he likes to develop characters and situations.

    I can relate, for what it's worth.
    I'm not sure I have a specific kink and what it is, but surely I find myself in a similar position often. I'm driven towards sexual situations and ideas that are sometimes pretty hard to justify and require a huge dose of suspension of disbelief by the reader.

    Or, a lot of work on my part, to chisel and trim and polish the dialogues and premises and whatnot, to make it all passable.
    Passable, just passable...
    Because I can't just throw it there and not give a shit but still, I'm perfectly aware that the results are ... meh?
     
  12. Impregmaniac

    Impregmaniac Really Experienced

    I had an idea as to how OP could approach their little disconnect.

    An impreg-harem king style story, inspired by Passengers and/or World's End Harem.

    Basically the protag is one of/the last man in the world, because of XYZ reasons, and has enough agency to be free to go where-ever he pleases and do who-ever he wants.

    With OP's tendency to become more Story focused, any Romp encounters they write could tie in to the overarching mystery of what happened to the rest of the world.
     
  13. Jinraider

    Jinraider Experienced

    It's been a bit, but maybe I can still answer your question.

    As I stated, I'm quite new to writing, so I haven't yet grown accustomed to how my writing would be received. I was trying to touch on the concern that my writing would be not received well based on my desire to add in some of my more controversial fetishes (impregnation here) because I was worried the audience would call me out on ruining the lives of the in-universe characters, since I've seen some others raise issues like this in other stories.

    My thought process with Stories vs Romps is that it's easier to ignore the consequences with a Romp, because the 'characters' there are often only there for sake of having erotic encounters. In a Story, where characters are (hopefully) more fleshed out, the implications and consequences of actions are harder to justify.
     
  14. Dissonant Soundtrack

    Dissonant Soundtrack Really Really Experienced

    People will say whatever they want to say, you can't control others' reactions. Maybe it's just my writing, but I've always found it harder to get people to say anything than to deal with those who come at me with negativity. The default interaction on CHYOA (IME) is that people read and move on, even getting a "Like" or a comment is uncommon. So I wouldn't let that hold you back.

    Also IME, I don't know that "impregnation" is all that controversial standing alone. So I think you'd be just fine.
     
  15. Impregmaniac

    Impregmaniac Really Experienced

    Ditto.

    Also, look at my handle. Two branches of my first story was almost exclusively about impregnating (or attempts not to impregnate) women.

    You'll be fine.

    Also also, this is going to sound mean, but if they aren't there writing with you, the audience/reader is just along for the ride.
     
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