BRAVE: Bringing Rapists Against Vengeance's Edge.

You are correct about that: even to me, it sounds like it could become repetitive.

BTW, I looked up the names you gave me: and I have another I would like to ask you about: Robert Pickton?
 
[[It's actually the exact opposite: you can accomplish more by including it as part of the sex. The only catch is the victim has to enjoy it at some point and have the pleasure they derive overshadow the pain. Basically: we welcome Stockholm Syndrome, Kuklinski, and possibly Gerald and Charlene (if they keep their hands off the kids), but have to turnaway Jack the Ripper and Kamisaku Jo.]]


That may be as far as slicing for kicks goes -

But I imagine that a fight/action scene (nonsex) where a guy cuts down three others with a sword - cuts a hand off, stabs some other fellow through the heart, whacks some guy in the skull, and beheads handless would be fine, as is the way of fight scenes, where similar actions in a sex scene, not to get too detailed, would be questionable at least.

Similarly, a bank robber executing a hostage with a pistol would, I imagine, be almost definitely acceptable, but the same thing during also a sex scene would be much nearer the line.

That's what I mean - in terms of raw violence, it's intimacy (sexual or nonsexual as you point out) that draws it closer to the line. Maybe from that point, a sex focus can get it even nearer (serves a pornographic purpose beyond slashing), but I maintain nonsex violence can do a lot sexual violence can't here.
 
Loeman said:
I maintain nonsex violence can do a lot of things sexual violence can't here.
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I think Loeman is correct about this, not only from my reading of your own statements of what is and is not acceptable, Katoue, but the little rules blurb at the top of every new chapter... Can we get a second opinion from another mod and/or admin?
 
Note: I said "Permit", you can choose Evil or choose Good. That said: there are other species, that are INCAPABLE of choosing this form of evil: and more to the point, according to the present understanding of genetic divergence...

We used to BE one...
 
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Note: I said "Permit", you can choose Evil or choose Good. That said: there are other species, that are INCAPABLE of choosing this form of evil...
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Maybe I didn't get the meaning due to translation... but...

If you say that the "urge" to rape is determined by genes, you say that it is a disease which would mean that they never had a decision about it.
 
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dedicated to eradicating the genes that permit men to commit rape from the human gene pool: by murdering anyone in whom they are active...
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Whoa! This just slipped through.
So you can't stand rape as a fantasy, but you are cool with eugenetics and genetic epuration? That's ... ok, i suppose...
 
gene.sis said:
If you say that the "urge" to rape is determined by genes, you say that it is a disease which would mean that they never had a decision about it.
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It's an instinct. My instinct when some guy gets too close to me at a train station is to deck him: now I ask you, given that I am accessing a porn site to talk to you and post this, what are the chances that I have ever actually given in to that instinct? Everyone makes choices every day, thousands of them, and many if not most of those choices are to deliberately restrain our instincts and impulses in favor of acting like humans rather than beasts. Rapists, do not make that choice: they chose to surrender to their base desires and behave like animals. I ate a pork sandwich this morning: are you arguing I'm a murderer?


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So you can't stand rape as a fantasy, but you are cool with eugenetics and genetic epuration?
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The problem with eugenics is and always has been implementation, not the basic concept. Look at Hawaii, they ran an incredibly successful eugenics program for over 500 years without even knowing what Eugenics WAS: before the dumbass belagana showed up and screwed things up. If you were born with a birth defect, you became food for the shark god: if you violated Kapu, (indicating a mental defect,) you were sacrificed: the list just went on and on.

The results spoke for themselves:

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That's a picture of a native Hawaiian from the 1890s: quite a bit AFTER the decline started: and this guy is RIPPED! Compare and contrast a Hawaiian native of today...

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I think you get the picture.

"Eugenics" is not what you think it is.

The NAZI's were not running a Eugenics Program: they were committing genocide. There was less than no scientific basis for their assessment of what constituted desirable traits in human beings. Hair Color? Skin Color? Eye Color? IRRELEVANT! Completely, totally, and utterly: IRRELEVANT!* Metabolism? Intellect? Muscular Throughput? Stamina? Social Interaction Potential? Sanity? Those are relevant: And the Nazis ignored ALL OF THEM.
*(With the trivial exception of insolation tolerance/requirement.)

Humans, like all other species: must evolve or DIE: you either become stronger or weaker, on the path of evolution there is no middle ground: no achievable state of homeostasis. We either continue to evolve, or we begin the spiral of self-destruction which put THESE into the dust bin of history:

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What went wrong with this species? It began to self-select for an ultimately unfavorable trait: horns on a burrowing animal.

We're doing the same thing: at present, the ability to commit rape is an evolutionary advantage... In the short term.

However, the coupled traits of viciousness, callousness, cruelty, and irresponsibility are incredibly destructive over the longer term.

So, what can we do to save our species?

Make that base trait intensely DIS-advantageous evolutionarily speaking.

"The good of the many outweighs the good of the few or the one."
Mr. Spock
 
Nemo of Utopia said:
You are correct about that: even to me, it sounds like it could become repetitive.
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For clarity, it would be a good idea if the eroticism was downplayed. As mystery fiction or thriller, this would be half-decent just due to how much more growth is allowed and the greater number of options.

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BTW, I looked up the names you gave me: and I have another I would like to ask you about: Robert Pickton?
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Well, this could change once the full files are released, but that's the realm of Haigh. In that particular realm, the rule I follow would be that the murders themselves would be penned, but the disposal would be left to implications; pointing, short sentences, coded speech, etc. Also, while the pig is something of a staple, hyenas would be more efficient due to their jaw strength; true of even Striped which are more easily domesticated and prefer to scavenge.

Loeman said:
That's what I mean - in terms of raw violence, it's intimacy (sexual or nonsexual as you point out) that draws it closer to the line. Maybe from that point, a sex focus can get it even nearer (serves a pornographic purpose beyond slashing), but I maintain nonsex violence can do a lot sexual violence can't here.
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It's all about whether or not that's the kink. If it is, it's out. However, Nemo's proposition is that it was not a kink. In such a case, so long as it's side narration and the main focus is on the unrelated sexual acts taking place simultaneously on a different part of the body, I again draw attention to the Cenobites. We have to include and fixate on traditional sex acts, of course, but otherwise their methods are just fine.

Nemo of Utopia said:
My instinct when some guy gets too close to me at a train station is to deck him: now I ask you, given that I am accessing a porn site to talk to you and post this, what are the chances that I have ever actually given in to that instinct?
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Depending on where you live, decent. What you just described is simple battery, a misdemeanor. The prison sentence usually caps at a year, isn't always applied and instead earns probation and a fine, and the probation itself wouldn't restrict website access. On top of that, all this assumes you're found guilty. If you live somewhere with a Stand Your Ground law, then there's a fair chance you'd be acquitted.

Nemo of Utopia said:
the ability to commit rape...the coupled traits of...irresponsibility.
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Draw some lines for me on that one. Because unless you're talking about leaving a pregnant woman to raise a child by herself, rapists in this day and age cannot be called "irresponsible." Simultaneously hunter and hunted, they've adapted through history as rape laws began reigning then in. "It's a crime? We'll rape in secret. Even for our wives? Then we break her mentality. You can find our fingerprints? Then we'll wear gloves. Just our face in a line-up is a conviction? We'll wear masks. You can track our DNA? We'll clean our crime scenes. Our ears and feet, too? Good thing we already have masks, and now we'll keep our shoes on. The victims scratched us? We'll trim those nails. Bit down? Rinse the mouth, then restrain to ensure the stomach destroys the evidence." This is all drawn from real cases, rapists who have actually done these things to get away with their crimes. And this is just them dealing with the police. As for picking their victims, the vast majority are inherently utilizing hunting instincts. These same instincts are channeled into socially acceptable behavior daily: bargain hunting, business negotiations, pet training, sporting events, and much more. It's similar to how a livestock herding dog accomplishes the herding by redirecting its hunting instincts: both acts use the same methods, but one act gets the dog shot while the other gets it a family. If you breed out the traits of a rapist, you've essentially bred out the very things that would make us want to evolve for the better.

Nemo of Utopia said:
viciousness, callousness, cruelty

"The good of the many outweighs the good of the few or the one."
Mr. Spock
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And that's a blatant contradiction. Callousness is the single defining trait of that motto. Without it, we'd be reluctant to punish the guilty, perpetually contemplating a slippery slope that would turn this belief back on itself to mean that punishment is tyranny. Viciousness and cruelty, meanwhile, are useful for ascertaining punishments, can become a powerful reason to avoid violence with certain individuals and organizations, and when used in aforementioned socially acceptable circumstances are called "efficiency." The fact is that trio are the only things that enable to draw the line in the sand and enforce it, as well as the only things that enable us to survive. It is this very fact that explains why psychopaths do so well in our world on both sides of the law, and it is this very fact that Akutagawa conveys and warns us about in "Rashomon."
 
I will not be drawn into another debate with you Kaitou1412.

This thread is not a moral discussion, and I apologize for making it one: this is to gather feedback and advice on a story concept: nothing more, nothing less, nothing ELSE...
 
I know it's all my fault,that i should have known better than poke you on this one, but damn ...

Nemo of Utopia said:
The problem with eugenics ....
....evolutionarily speaking.

"The good of the many outweighs the good of the few or the one."
Mr. Spock
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Even for your usual Dr. Sheldon Cooper play-pretend role, this post is ludicrous.

Let's stick to smut, shall we?
 
It's not 'play-pretend', this is not a 'role', and I am not an actor. What you are seeing isn't some elaborate act on my part: this is ME, and I resent the blatantly ableist insinuation that persons such as myself only exist in Hollywood television. Our number is legion, and we are the "Meek" spoken of in the bible as inheriting the Earth from ableist-prep-jocks like you!
 
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I resent the blatantly ableist insinuation that persons such as myself only exist in Hollywood television.
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I'm afraid it's all in your head.
Nemo of Utopia said:
It's not 'play-pretend', this is not a 'role', and I am not an actor. What you are seeing isn't some elaborate act on my part: this is ME
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Nemo of Utopia said:
It's not a 'role'. The character of Dr. Sheldon Cooper is a satirization of an actual psychiatric condition, which I actually have. "Aspergers Syndrome", google it.
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So ... you're acting like a 'satirization' of someone with Aspergers Sydrome, no?
It seems to me, you are the one hiding behind your ... diversity? I bet some of those people you brought into play would proably disagree with what you are saying.

I'm not so educated about your condition, but you can still vote, right?
To me you are equal, in every sigle way, that's why i bash you.
But maybe you want me to just leave the discussion and feel sorry for you?
 
It sounds like one of the many many Rape Revenge movies of the exploitation genre. Could work although I don't think it would really being something for this site unless it was in the non-erotic section.

I could see a lot of decent drama coming from the stuff in between although I would most likely focus more on them struggling to open up to the idea of being close to someone again at all.

You could make it schlocky as all hell and lean into the revenge angle, ignoring all of the unfortunate implications of such a quest, or you could go for a more gritty take on it. Sort of like the film version of Death Wish compared to the Novel.

On a side note, I remember once hearing someone pitch idea of a version of Dexter that goes around raping other rapists.
 
Nemo of Utopia said:
That's a picture of a native Hawaiian from the 1890s: quite a bit AFTER the decline started: and this guy is RIPPED! Compare and contrast a Hawaiian native of today...
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What is wrong with the second guy? Looks quite nice. Probably adapted quite well to its environment.
Do you think, pandas exist because they are the strongest creatures?
It's not about strength. It's about being the weakest creature which is able to easily survive in the given environment. Creatures don't get "stronger" than that.

You obviously think that being ripped is a good trait which ensures to survive but it isn't.
Besides, you could train to gain muscles but there is no need as long as there is a society which is the mentioned environment.
 
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