Why are so many Chyoa authors guys?

[insertnamehere]

They may be less likely to enjoy reading about rape written from the male POV . . .

Oh, yeah, sorry, that's exactly what I meant. Especially this:

I also think it might be something to do with the hundreds of lazy mind-control stories on this site, where the protag flicks a switch and every woman on the planet suddenly worships his cock. I find those off-putting myself even when they're well-written. It's a very masculine power-fantasy that I don't think women would enjoy seeing it very much.

Which has already been discussed in another thread, so I'll instead point to another kind of story that comes to mind.

There's a particular kind of story that I've seen posted with increasing frequency. It's where a male protagonist in a real-world setting rapes a woman (or women) and... that's it. There's no sort of dark, twisted Stockholm syndrome; there's no feelings of doubt or temptation; there's no build-up to the cool down. They're frank and realistic. They're less 'stories', per se, and more like blueprints. I understand I'm not articulating my thoughts very well, but it's difficult to explain without linking an example, which I'd rather not do since I'm being so critical. The type I'm talking about generally are just called "X Rapes/Fucks/Kidnaps Y." They're not very common, I've just seen a bunch of them in a short period - probably around a dozen.

Again, perhaps I am merely biased. I just cannot imagine many women enjoying erotica that meticulously describes how much the woman doesn't enjoy it.

 

[57]

Because the guys are more perverted than the girls?

 

[Durzan]

Because the guys are more perverted than the girls?

Ehhh... probably not, honestly. I don't think guys are necessarily more perverted than girls on average. I just think men tend to be a tad more open about their pervertedness.

 

[Thorn_]

Because the guys are more perverted than the girls?

Mmm no. That's a myth. Girls are just as perverted as guys. I can definitely say that. I have many ladyfriends to things even I think are shocking and disturbing....my bar for things is almost in orbit as is, so getting past it is an achievement.

 

[TheStirringLion]

I believe it is a direct connection to the content. I stumbled upon this site on accident and was impressed by the platform but not impressed by the content. This inspired me to step out of my comfort zone with writing and I picked a story that was active and added a few branches. Then I wanted to create my own. I was a bit surprised by some of what I read in random stories. It was hastely written and Graphic to the point where the magic was lost. Most stuff my Ladyfriend reads have a build up or a slight mystery about it. I am working up my erotic skills to write from a female POV and hope I can give the gender justice. Most I have seen have been really ...... slutty..... if you will. Need to celebrate more positive sex and I think it will naturally attract a wider audience which includes more female members.

 

[Corunner]

Just reading a bit of the thread, I gotta say in my recent time spent on the site, I am making a concerted effort (as I always do) to avoid any story involving rape or any other sort of non-con.

Also, I don't think males are more-perverted (as news & other public media often seem to portray); It's simply that (again, IMO) females seem to largely be more attracted to non-visual stimuli, and enter relationships not based on the physical. Males, on the other hand, seem to often feel & act on largely-physical attraction...Some, such as myself, prefer to find ways like this to act.

 

[57]

I believe it is a direct connection to the content. I stumbled upon this site on accident and was impressed by the platform but not impressed by the content. This inspired me to step out of my comfort zone with writing and I picked a story that was active and added a few branches. Then I wanted to create my own. I was a bit surprised by some of what I read in random stories. It was hastely written and Graphic to the point where the magic was lost. Most stuff my Ladyfriend reads have a build up or a slight mystery about it. I am working up my erotic skills to write from a female POV and hope I can give the gender justice. Most I have seen have been really ...... slutty..... if you will. Need to celebrate more positive sex and I think it will naturally attract a wider audience which includes more female members.

Your message seems a little pretentious. It shows a little of arrogance. You qualify so poorly everyone else, but you forgot something very important, that's freedom in writing. Anyone has the right to express their writing in the way they like, despite you like it or not. And besides what's writing to you? A product to attract more people or a way to express yourself? If femenine audience it's not comfortable with the content, they can go somewhere else. Nobody has the right to determine how the content should be produced. And besides, this is not the place to celebrate positive sex, it's CHYOA porn site. There are sites with that focus. Not CHYOA.
Besides that, it's nice to know that despite that that petulance on your opinion over other stories, you try to do attempt to make stories in the way you like.

 

[insertnamehere]

Your message seems a little pretentious. It shows a little of arrogance. You qualify so poorly everyone else, but you forgot something very important, that's freedom in writing. Anyone has the right to express their writing in the way they like, despite you like it or not. And besides what's writing to you? A product to attract more people or a way to express yourself? If femenine audience it's not comfortable with the content, they can go somewhere else. Nobody has the right to determine how the content should be produced. And besides, this is not the place to celebrate positive sex, it's CHYOA porn site. There are sites with that focus. Not CHYOA.
Besides that, it's nice to know that despite that that petulance on your opinion over other stories, you try to do attempt to make stories in the way you like.

TheStirringLion did not suggest that such stories should be purged; they merely expressed distaste for them. For instance, I dislike reality television, but I do not believe it should be banned and producers rounded up to receive the death sentence. A moderate position is possible.

Ironically, even if you believe that authors should not "celebrate positive sex" because CHYOA "isn't that kind of place", it is their right to produce whatever content they desire. Similarly, you cannot demand "feminine audiences" to "go somewhere else". They, too, have the right to create and consume content, even if it's not the precise sort of content you, personally, enjoy.

 

[57]

TheStirringLion did not suggest that such stories should be purged; they merely expressed distaste for them. For instance, I dislike reality television, but I do not believe it should be banned and producers rounded up to receive the death sentence. A moderate position is possible.

Ironically, even if you believe that authors should not "celebrate positive sex" because CHYOA "isn't that kind of place", it is their right to produce whatever content they desire. Similarly, you cannot demand "feminine audiences" to "go somewhere else". They, too, have the right to create and consume content, even if it's not the precise sort of content you, personally, enjoy.

I never said he said that, I only point out that everyone has the right to write in the way they want, even if it isn't your taste. Also, I didn't said that in CHYOA you can't express and celebrate positive sex, I only suggest that CHYOA maybe not the best place to do it, in my opinion.

I never demand that female readers can't be in CHYOA, on the contrary, the best thing is the diversity. I just point out that he's kinda limiting women readers to a single characteristic, when really, women tastes are as variated as men tastes, and besides that, women that don't like the style of stories that are beign produced in CHYOA can have better places to find the stories they're looking for. But you can expect to change the way people writes just to make it more attracting to certain audiences.

 

[insertnamehere]

Also, I didn't said that in CHYOA you can't express and celebrate positive sex, I only suggest that CHYOA maybe not the best place to do it, in my opinion.

Why not?

I apologise if I'm misreading your comments, but you seem to be engaging in some circular logic:
Women who prefer less graphic content shouldn't be on CHYOA...
...because most of the content on CHYOA is graphic...
...because less graphic content shouldn't be on CHYOA...
...because there's no readership for such content here...
...because women who prefer less graphic content shouldn't be on CHYOA...

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a) pointing out that most of the content on CHYOA is extremely graphic, b) expressing a personal dislike for this, c) linking it to the gender imbalance as women tend to feel differently to men, and d) writing such stories in order to attract a wider audience. It is certainly not 'pretentious' or 'arrogant' in any way.

 

[TheStirringLion]

Your message seems a little pretentious. It shows a little of arrogance. You qualify so poorly everyone else, but you forgot something very important, that's freedom in writing. Anyone has the right to express their writing in the way they like, despite you like it or not. And besides what's writing to you? A product to attract more people or a way to express yourself? If femenine audience it's not comfortable with the content, they can go somewhere else. Nobody has the right to determine how the content should be produced. And besides, this is not the place to celebrate positive sex, it's CHYOA porn site. There are sites with that focus. Not CHYOA.
Besides that, it's nice to know that despite that that petulance on your opinion over other stories, you try to do attempt to make stories in the way you like.

@57 I want to start by pointing out I really did not mean to create such strong feelings in you. I was only responding to the Orignal post and giving my thoughts on the situation. I am still a believer that content attracts the audience. The OP was asking why we think most of the creators are male. They took the time to pull numbers and those results show a result.

I never said he said that, I only point out that everyone has the right to write in the way they want, even if it isn't your taste. Also, I didn't said that in CHYOA you can't express and celebrate positive sex, I only suggest that CHYOA maybe not the best place to do it, in my opinion.

I never demand that female readers can't be in CHYOA, on the contrary, the best thing is the diversity. I just point out that he's kinda limiting women readers to a single characteristic, when really, women tastes are as variated as men tastes, and besides that, women that don't like the style of stories that are beign produced in CHYOA can have better places to find the stories they're looking for. But you can expect to change the way people writes just to make it more attracting to certain audiences.

This has an important call-out that I may not have considered. I did not mean to speak for ALL female readers. What I wanted to say, to be more clear, many of the women in my life read a certain type of smut. Many other sites I have been on also share the same taste in style. I should have made it a bit more clear that my ladyfriend's reading and my understanding of the woman in my life should not be blanketed.

So if you take anything away from my response. Celebrate the courage it takes to create something. Content attracts the audience. The audience dictates the community.

But you can expect to change the way people writes just to make it more attracting to certain audiences.

I agree with this as it is what published authors do. People who create content will change content to attract audiences. That was my suggestion if a person wanted to attract a different type of reader. In the case of the OP, female readers. It is not, however, my suggestion to reformat the entire site to accomplish this.

I am hoping this clearifies what I meant. Thank you for replying and defending the idea of free speech and creation.

 

[SeriousBrainDamage]

But you can't expect to change the way people writes just to make it more attracting to certain audiences.

I agree with this as it is what published authors do. People who create content will change content to attract audiences. That was my suggestion if a person wanted to attract a different type of reader. In the case of the OP, female readers. It is not, however, my suggestion to reformat the entire site to accomplish this.

I am hoping this clearifies what I meant. Thank you for replying and defending the idea of free speech and creation.

I'm fairly sure that was a typo.
A lot of people here write to have their own fun. Getting likes, appraisal and eventually a female(since it is the point of the thread) audience out of it, is just a plus.

 

[57]

@57 I want to start by pointing out I really did not mean to create such strong feelings in you. I was only responding to the Orignal post and giving my thoughts on the situation. I am still a believer that content attracts the audience. The OP was asking why we think most of the creators are male. They took the time to pull numbers and those results show a result.

This has an important call-out that I may not have considered. I did not mean to speak for ALL female readers. What I wanted to say, to be more clear, many of the women in my life read a certain type of smut. Many other sites I have been on also share the same taste in style. I should have made it a bit more clear that my ladyfriend's reading and my understanding of the woman in my life should not be blanketed.

So if you take anything away from my response. Celebrate the courage it takes to create something. Content attracts the audience. The audience dictates the community.

I agree with this as it is what published authors do. People who create content will change content to attract audiences. That was my suggestion if a person wanted to attract a different type of reader. In the case of the OP, female readers. It is not, however, my suggestion to reformat the entire site to accomplish this.

I am hoping this clearifies what I meant. Thank you for replying and defending the idea of free speech and creation.

No problem man, sorry if I have expressed in a strong way. Not my intention to cnesor you or anything like that. I just feel that you were a little unfair when you say that you weren't impressed of some content. But surely you didn't say it on the way I interpreted it.
I just wanted to express that as men have different tastes, women also like different stuff. Probably what you say is 100% true for the women you know, but I wouldn't risk to say that all women had that similar taste.
As for the positive sex thing, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, and CHYOA has an space for that way of writing. Seeing some kind of stories that are produced here makes me doubt it, but I hope you prove wrong, and you can create a space for that. I will surely interested to read about it.
It's nice to have a discussion where anyone tries to prove totally wrong the other one. It was nice to argue with yuo and insertnamehere.

 

[57]

Why not?

I apologise if I'm misreading your comments, but you seem to be engaging in some circular logic:
Women who prefer less graphic content shouldn't be on CHYOA...
...because most of the content on CHYOA is graphic...
...because less graphic content shouldn't be on CHYOA...
...because there's no readership for such content here...
...because women who prefer less graphic content shouldn't be on CHYOA...

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a) pointing out that most of the content on CHYOA is extremely graphic, b) expressing a personal dislike for this, c) linking it to the gender imbalance as women tend to feel differently to men, and d) writing such stories in order to attract a wider audience. It is certainly not 'pretentious' or 'arrogant' in any way.

Well, maybe I express myself wrongly, but for me everyone should and could write in CHYOA. I love this place, and how it stimulate me to write erotica like any other place do. Would be great if there was a place like this in my native language (Spanish).
Again, maybe I expressed wrongly, I don't know if most of the content is graphic, but surely there are a good part of writers and readers that like to be graphic. I can get get graphic sometimes. But obviously, less graphic content also deserves its spot in CHYOA, but I think more writers prefer to be more praphic. Despite that, there should a place for them here.

Maybe I expressed myself wrongly. But again, I think that everyone should be able to express and enjoy this place. And maybe is true what StirringLion says, that stories could be improved more.

 

[insertnamehere]

Well, maybe I express myself wrongly, but for me everyone should and could write in CHYOA. I love this place, and how it stimulate me to write erotica like any other place do. Would be great if there was a place like this in my native language (Spanish).
Again, maybe I expressed wrongly, I don't know if most of the content is graphic, but surely there are a good part of writers and readers that like to be graphic. I can get get graphic sometimes. But obviously, less graphic content also deserves its spot in CHYOA, but I think more writers prefer to be more praphic. Despite that, there should a place for them here.

Maybe I expressed myself wrongly. But again, I think that everyone should be able to express and enjoy this place. And maybe is true what StirringLion says, that stories could be improved more.

Fair enough. I think the most important point to note is the distinction between disliking something and disliking the presence of that thing. It's fair for a person to say they don't enjoy extremely graphic content, and endeavour to create less graphic content; however, it's not necessarily good to wish others would stop writing extreme content. Fortunately, I don't believe anyone is advocating for the latter.

 

[gene.sis]

Would be great if there was a place like this in my native language (Spanish).

You can write stories in Spanish on CHYOA as well. (Maybe even just translations of your other content.)
If there is more Spanish content on the site, it might attract more Spanish readers and writers.

(That somehow fits one point of the recent discussion ^^)

 

[Larata]

I feel it could have something to do with sites like ao3 or wattpad already being these big known erotica sites. At least most friends I know only know those sites and won't jump to others that easily. I felt no one mentioned something like this either so wanted to bring it up ahaha!
I also find it funny each site kind of has its own writer flavour in a way? I find Chyoa is very good for finding short smut drabble-like formats, which I love!

 

[insertnamehere]

I feel it could have something to do with sites like ao3 or wattpad already being these big known erotica sites.

Well, these are not exactly erotica sites, which somewhat reduces the comparison. Additionally, non-fanfic stories tend to get lost on AO3, the purpose of which is, specifically, fanworks. I believe this accounts for the difference in writing styles moreso than community demographics per se - since authors and readers on AO3 both go into stories having already developed an emotional attachment to characters, these stories tend to employ the much more 'romantic' language and themes that I believe I mentioned earlier.

As for Wattpad, I could not ethically reconcile, as an adult, posting erotica on it. The primary audience is roughly 11-14 year olds, so like it or not, when you write erotica for Wattpad, you're writing for children. Some people don't mind - especially when their stories are on the 'romantic' end of the spectrum anyway - but I imagine many would rather go to a dedicated porn site like CHYOA. As a reader, the age demographics on Wattpad mean that too many erotica authors both have no idea how sex and male anatomy actually work, and lack general writing competence. I find CHYOA has only one of those issues, and so may attract more discerning readers.

You raise an interesting point in the comparison of popular erotica sites. Indeed, all of the big ones have their own niches: AO3 is all about fandom, CHYOA allows for branching points, Literotica's interface makes you want to sew your eyelids shut, etc. In this regard, its seems the only real competitor to CHYOA is Editthis.info, which, well, yeah, not really much of a contest. CHYOA is as good as it gets in terms of erotic choose-your-own-adventure sites. In that light, I believe that demographic disproportionalities can be attributed primarily to the intended goal of CHYOA, and not necessarily how well it achieves that goal.

 

[SeriousBrainDamage]

I find Chyoa is very good for finding short smut drabble-like formats, which I love!

Please don't. The word drabble feels just so pretentious.
Besides, you can find very complex and well structured stories on Chyoa too.

At least most friends I know only know those sites and won't jump to others that easily.

It's not easy to come out of one's comfort zone, especially if you're subjecting yourself to other's judgment.
That said, i find Chyoa to be a hidden gem, layout-wise at least, in comparison to many of the other competitors around.

 

[insertnamehere]

That said, i find Chyoa to be a hidden gem, layout-wise at least, in comparison to many of the other competitors around.

For sure. To think that someone to this day looks at the Literotica layout each morning, with the full power to change it, and thinks, "Nah..."
I'm guessing the reason the CHYOA layout is so nice is comparison is because a new interface had to be designed at some point, and so it might as well have been pretty. Could be wrong, though.