Incest Loopholes best suited for stories?

pwizdelf said:
Zeebop said:
the only limit to your degeneracy is yourself
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New goal, make an Abraham Lincoln quote meme out of this and see if I can convince anyone it's real. Why do you think Mary Todd Lincoln had so many mental health problems bro!!
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To paraphrase a quote I recently read: "All possible perversities are inevitable. Every conceivable taboo has been committed."

..Huh. I wonder if there's a multiverse sex story in there somewhere.

pwizdelf said:
It's an inaccurate thought in this context since no abeyance thresholds are really met when England maintained relative stability of governance during the war (admittedly probably not heavily weighted toward incest statute enforcement) but my verbatim interior reaction to reading this was:

Wow. How many brotherfuckers were forged in the Blitz!

The effective stake for the characters hinges way less on the technicalities of what constitutes incest, since it matters much more what happens if or when people find out. Like say someone's mom has a step brother who's functionally their uncle. The technicality of him not being a blood relative is not going to be what drives Mom's reaction if she finds out they had sex. There's a violation of social acceptability there and I really respect it when stories make an effort to honor that. I can still enjoy stories that prefer to ignore this and get straight to the fucking, but I really love being put through the paces if the characters settle into or worry about their activities with a more realistic range of emotional approaches.
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It really says a lot about how all-encompassing the taboo of incest really is that even a world-spanning conflict like World War 2 is not enough to break down the barrier.

Then again, there have been societies in which incest was acceptable, even preferred. Queen Cleopatra married her brother (and then had him killed. (And then married her other brother. (And had him killed.))) and that was standard practice for the Ptolemaic dynasty that ruled Egypt. The Habsburgs' unofficial family motto was "Let others wage war, but thou, O happy Austria, marry". And by 'marry', they meant 'marry each other', explicitly using incestuous marriage as a method of gaining and maintaining political power, even when that had some, uh, unfortunate effects down the line.
 
Nobles inbreeding was mainly because marriage for them was a political deal and thus incestous marriage was a way to keep the money and power in the family rather than becoming weaker.
 
TheLowKing said:
To paraphrase a quote I recently read: "All possible perversities are inevitable. Every conceivable taboo has been committed."

..Huh. I wonder if there's a multiverse sex story in there somewhere.
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This is more of a crossover with the "to end or not" thread discussion but I have a multiverse thread in my big story that mainly came about due to my confusing multiple threads and suddenly I'm like, well obviously the only answer to this is to punch through the fourth wall and introduce a timeline war. Woke up in the middle of the night and had to take down a bunch of notes about how hilarious I thought it would be if one timeline's characters believed themselves to be at war with the other timelines, but the other threads never once allude to any of it. In other words I think the notion has legs and I'd probably show up for it.

TheLowKing said:
Then again, there have been societies in which incest was acceptable, even preferred. Queen Cleopatra married her brother (and then had him killed. (And then married her other brother. (And had him killed.))) and that was standard practice for the Ptolemaic dynasty that ruled Egypt. The Habsburgs' unofficial family motto was "Let others wage war, but thou, O happy Austria, marry". And by 'marry', they meant 'marry each other', explicitly using incestuous marriage as a method of gaining and maintaining political power, even when that had some, uh, unfortunate effects down the line.
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I've written some time travel sex tourism fiction before with a friend and had a ton of one line story concepts outlined for future episodic adventures for the characters. Most of them are super high concept and not remotely fleshed out, like "Smorgasborgia would be a great fucking book title" and one of those ideas I hadn't developed really (mainly because I was steering clear of material Amazon was likely to censor such as incest-adjacent stuff when I knew I'd be tempted to steer hard into the skid of consanguinity explorations) was that it could be interesting and challenging to come up with an unexpected portrayal for Carlos II.

Not happening any time soon I'm sure. I feel like to add time travel to the mix of any of my current story shit would be the action of a crazy woman. I still have a pin in the idea though. Well, that and a zillion others.
 
raziel83 said:
Nobles inbreeding was mainly because marriage for them was a political deal and thus incestous marriage was a way to keep the money and power in the family rather than becoming weaker.
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I think political also in the non-dynastic sense that it provided a culture/state advocated mechanism for stratifying racial castes. If you're concentrating "pure" western Christian bloodlines to avoid dilution by people of semitic extraction I guess you can't help but fuck your cousins. Now that I've said that though racial subjugation sounds way grosser and less fun than the desire to maintain inherited wealth.
 
pwizdelf said:
This is more of a crossover with the "to end or not" thread discussion but I have a multiverse thread in my big story that mainly came about due to my confusing multiple threads and suddenly I'm like, well obviously the only answer to this is to punch through the fourth wall and introduce a timeline war. Woke up in the middle of the night and had to take down a bunch of notes about how hilarious I thought it would be if one timeline's characters believed themselves to be at war with the other timelines, but the other threads never once allude to any of it. In other words I think the notion has legs and I'd probably show up for it.


I've written some time travel sex tourism fiction before with a friend and had a ton of one line story concepts outlined for future episodic adventures for the characters. Most of them are super high concept and not remotely fleshed out, like "Smorgasborgia would be a great fucking book title" and one of those ideas I hadn't developed really (mainly because I was steering clear of material Amazon was likely to censor such as incest-adjacent stuff when I knew I'd be tempted to steer hard into the skid of consanguinity explorations) was that it could be interesting and challenging to come up with an unexpected portrayal for Carlos II.

Not happening any time soon I'm sure. I feel like to add time travel to the mix of any of my current story shit would be the action of a crazy woman. I still have a pin in the idea though. Well, that and a zillion others.
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Well, THIS IS HOW YOU LOSE THE TIME WAR is:

epistolary novel
enemies to lovers
tricky twists
flirting with paradox of cause and effect
grandly extended flirting

but TIHYLTTW is not much of a stroke book, unless clever wordplay, absurd physical puns, and angsty longing do it for you.

at Chyoa we are free to lift the curtain on the beginning and end of scenes and not cut or fade to black.

Or for a plotline like THE LIGHT BRIGADE (a chaotic looping roller-coaster of the soldier protagonist's timeline out of order), we can have less focus on the horror and confusion (I saw you die horribly, but that hasn't happened to you? yet? what year is this?) and more on the post-battle release, sexual details fully indulged.
 
Does it really count as incest if their both female since their isn't any interbreeding?

raziel83 said:
Nobles inbreeding was mainly because marriage for them was a political deal and thus incestous marriage was a way to keep the money and power in the family rather than becoming weaker.
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Downton Abbey comes to mind where through most of the first and second season they clearly call the guy cousin Matthew.
 
RicoLouis said:
Does it really count as incest if their both female since their isn't any interbreeding?
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I don't write incest stories, and while I've read a few (and enjoyed a few), the only element I ever find exciting is the idea of breaking taboos. That's not unique to incest stories, of course.

I also think there are two main concepts in incest stories in terms of what's taboo. One is about interbreeding, the fact that scientifically it's damaging to future offspring, etc. The other is that it's generally considered to be ethically wrong. The relationships that are built within families are not sexual. So when those rules change and barriers are broken, there's where it becomes exciting (for a reader -- I'm still talking about fiction here!).

So "does it count"? Ethically, a story about two sisters who shun taboos and fuck each other is socially against the norm, and that might make for exciting fiction. But scientifically, there's no problematic consequence.

(All that said, I don't know that I'd be excited by erotic fiction that incorporated a deep discussion of the biological issues of incest ... that doesn't sound like much of a turn-on. But who knows ... to each his own.)
 
Sex between related women counts as incest. The tabooness is generally the sexual contact between closely related family members; the possibility of impregnation is just the icing on the incestuous case. If you want the equivalent of just icing, you'd find people jerking it to sixty-year-old women acting as surrogate for their own grandkids, or a brother inseminating all of his dead sister's donated eggs or something. Most folk do not, I feel, get hot and bothered about a researcher using gene editing to copy some of their dead mother's DNA into someone.
 
Spoiler alert: Try not to read past this if you've not watched the TV series of the Watchmen and are thinking about doing so...
I quite like the part where one of the characters has made a clone embryo of her dying or dead mother, then carries and raises it as her daughter with the view that the daughter will do the same for her in turn and the two effectively live forever. Incestuous without any actual sex happening.
 
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