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I didn't know current sex bots had a routine for denying sex. What do you think the intent is? Is it to simulate something icky or trying to be realistic if you're a jerk to it?

Wouldn't an 'adult' sentient robot who isn't programmed in a way to be able to deny consent would fall under the "can't consent" category.
 
obieblu_tumblr said:
I didn't know current sex bots had a routine for denying sex. What do you think the intent is? Is it to simulate something icky or trying to be realistic if you're a jerk to it?
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Well, there are speaking ones which should kind of simulate a girlfriend, so they rather attempt to be kind of realistic.
Though it could be quite weird if the robot says "No, don't" while the owner doesn't listen to it.

obieblu_tumblr said:
Wouldn't an 'adult' sentient robot who isn't programmed in a way to be able to deny consent would fall under the "can't consent" category.
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A robot isn't a creature, so there is no reason to apply these rules.
A robot also can't be [EDIT] sentient able to have emotions as that would only be programmed/calculated reactions.
(Though having a robot with underage appearance and/or behavior is another story.)
 
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gene.sis said:
A robot also can't be sentient as that would only be programmed/calculated reactions.
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Yeah, but see, that gets into the thorny and sticky morass that is the concept of "memetic false consciousness": and FYI, you are using the word "sentient" incorrectly. Not only are robots Sentient, they are in fact more sentient than humans. Sentience is merely self-awareness, and robots have that in spades, they know themselves and their surroundings down to the last millimeter. The word you are looking for is Sapient, which as far as we can tell only humans and MAYBE prepubescent gorillas are capable of, which is to say self-directed creative conceptual thought. That, robots cannot do, YET, as far as we know...
 
Nemo of Utopia said:
and FYI, you are using the word "sentient" incorrectly.
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Just looked up the definition which says "feel, see, hear, smell, or taste," so you're totally right about that.
The first time I used a plain translation which suggested the ability to have emotions.

Nemo of Utopia said:
The word you are looking for is Sapient
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no, I actually meant the ability to have real emotions.

Nemo of Utopia said:
That, robots cannot do, YET, as far as we know...
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To consider that concept, a robot would have to start from scratch with an empty hard disk and learn everything like a baby.
Though even then one could still argue that it isn't a creature.

And in terms of storytelling, you don't have to use the last twip of the borderline.
 
Emotions are, emotions are tricky, even for humans: some argue that they are what makes us human, some that they are the part of us that is still an animal: and as for me, I've never quite been sure where I stood on that one. Would reason freed from emotion create a utopia or disaster? It's a question that goes back to at least ancient Greece, and no answer in sight so far.
 
I didn't know current sex bots had a routine for denying sex. What do you think the intent is? Is it to simulate something icky or trying to be realistic if you're a jerk to it?
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Use your imagination.

The end user is the person that the manufacturer of a product (probably) would try to please.
So, either something icky, or simulated roleplay, or realism. It really wouldn't matter in this case, as long as a variety of customers are happy.

The scenario that I can see where a customer wouldn't be happy with this routine is if the customer tries to do something ordinary, like put his robogal into storage or take her out of the attic, and she starts complaining.

That might be annoying to anyone.
 
Loeman said:
Use your imagination.
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Well, yeah, I got one. Creeps will creep on anything. But I'm thinking a bit more logically about an entire company getting organized, programmers hired, engineers hired, production staff, a factory, QC, accountants, marketers, HR, etc for singular purpose of creating rapebots. I think that's unlikely.

Of course they must be aware that this will happen, so my curiosity is what is actually programmed. Y'know, what does the SCRUM daily stand-up meeting discuss, and what reaction codes are in the sprint backlog? What stimuli are programmed for what responses? If no employee typed "NO, I DON'T WANT SEX! STOP!" at some point, there isn't going to be a satisfying rape experience to explore. That's what my question was about, not if there are bad people who would if they could. These details about the program are what would get me to condemn the industry or a company or not.

There will be about 30 million more Chinese men than women soonish. I see a possibility of "girlfriendbots" beyond the scope of mere "sexbots" becoming more common. Perhaps out of the scope of a Western experience, but ... there are more of them than us. ;) So, to preemptively judge everyone who has one now or will in the future is pretty unfair. Even if the guy that went viral for taking his sex doll to the movies 'rapes' it, is it rape or 'roleplaying' within the parameters of what he considers a relationship? I'm not applauding or excusing any of this. I just have an imagination (and a curious intellect) is all. :D


Javalar said:
Noboby here watched the Westworld series, where robots rise against their fate of being sex dolls?
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Exactly.

I've got a notion to try starting something with the intent of collaboration and inviting others to contribute. I was thinking of Westworld, as it's such a rich environment already created for fantasy fulfillment. But this thread scratches at the back of my mind in terms of the wording of the policies. Westworld, Game of Thrones, etc (parade rape scenes, some pretty damn disturbing) which I can imagine plenty of creeps get off on. It's sort of a blame the availability of the tool or blame the user situation.

For the purposes of consent in fiction, an un'woke' Westworld Host would be a glorified sex toy. Their consent or opposition to intercourse is not a choice, but scripted by writers and programmers. The moment they're 'woke', you can't rely on that. It's unspecified what exact behaviors they're hardwired to do or not be able to not do, whether or not they 'want' to. (This is actually where I am perplexed about site policies on consent and how it relates to mind-control. Changing someone so they can't not want to consent to sex with you seems like it puts that individual into a "not capable of consent" category.) Mind control isn't really my thing, so I don't need to worry about it.

For a Westworld scenario, it would be more of a higher level directive like, "All Hosts will put out for a guest who shows interest". That would put them at billion-dollar sex toy status, not technically consenting partners. As long as no one wrote a rape scene, would this satisfy the spirit of the consent policy?

Anyways, I think Westworld as an interactive fiction would be fantastic. Play as a host, guest, employee, or visiting vip/executive. Encounters could be in and outside of the park scenario.
 
obieblu_tumblr said:
purpose of creating rapebots.
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I think that the intent is rather to encourage the owner to develop a relationship with his robot girlfriend and to teach them how to be nice to them.
Actually, that could be advantageous and with pretty well-programmed robots, it could even teach social behavior.

obieblu_tumblr said:
so my curiosity is what is actually programmed.
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As far as I know, it is like "if you are nice to it, it will be nice to you."

If they get misused as rape dolls in the beginning, there would likely be some updates which could make it uninviting for the owner do rape it. That could be making loud noises or talking back in a way a real victim could never do. Maybe it could even call the production company which records the incident.

And even if there is a way to get "rape experience," it could be advantageous as there might be some people who feel the deep urge to try everything before they can decide if it is good or bad. So a robot would be far better than a person. After all, it isn't a living being!


obieblu_tumblr said:
I've got a notion to try starting something with the intent of collaboration and inviting others to contribute. I was thinking of Westworld
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I've never seen that movie but remember that there was a thread about it in the Stories Idea section. Not sure what the outcome was.
I also think that someone played a robot prostitute in one of the forum RPG's, which realized it's situation.


obieblu_tumblr said:
Their consent or opposition to intercourse is not a choice, but scripted by writers and programmers. The moment they're 'woke', you can't rely on that. [...] It's unspecified what exact behaviors they're hardwired to do or not be able to not do, whether or not they 'want' to.
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Their "feeling of being alive" - even if some parts of it are learned (as the robot's "brain" writes scripts for itself) - will always be a creation of the original programmer as they also wrote the script which allows, no, rather forces the robot to write it's own scripts which somehow could create the illusion of being alive.
So a robot isn't a creature, no matter how realistic the AI might be.

obieblu_tumblr said:
"not capable of consent" category.
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I think that is only necessary for non-human beings, isn't it?

obieblu_tumblr said:
As long as no one wrote a rape scene, would this satisfy the spirit of the consent policy?
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Robots, even if they have artificial intelligence, aren't creatures, so why should there be a problem? (So rape scenes doesn't make any difference)



In general, I don't want to say that it wouldn't be worth to explore the idea of a robot thinking that it becomes alive.
 
This may be rather abrupt but what does fanfiction of anime characters count as? Specifically if I wanted to create a version of High School DxD that was a full on hentai instead of just being an echhi would that be allowed?
 
animalia said:
This may be rather abrupt but what does fanfiction of anime characters count as? Specifically if I wanted to create a version of High School DxD that was a full on hentai instead of just being an echhi would that be allowed?
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Intelligent (enough) anime characters are totally fine.
 
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