3 reasons why I’m not going to read your story

Using real people is more about personality rights than copyright and it is way more dubious ethically speaking. I stopped doing it some time ago.

I am ideologically opposed to copyright (at least in the current Disney-created form) so may be biased but... Really... I strongly suggest ignoring copyrights for the purpose of using them in anything that doesn't hurt anyone's profits*. Nothing bad will happen if you use something copyrighted for the cover. The worst realistic possibility is some form of cease and desist.

*this is what matters the most when determining the severity of copyright infringement, not if you make money.
 
Everyone needs to realize that Sthaana is just speaking from her own personal perspective and she doesn't speak for everyone. Many of the points people are making are opinions shared by many but I would not say all the points made by Sthaana are common.

Sthaana said:
1. No unique hook. This is a collaborative site. There are approximately 500 Mind Control/Reality-bending/Free Use stories on this site.
Unless you can come up with a truly unique spin on the concept, just go and contribute to someone else's story.

2. Photos/Gifs. I know this is a One Man's Bread is Another Man's Poison deal, but if I wanted to watch a sexy lady riding dong, I wouldn't
come to a text-based site. Do the work, describe your characters.

3. No branches at all. That's just a single, linear story, dude. Take it to Literotica or AO3 or wherever.

4. Explicitly stating a character's age/hight/bust size. "DD" means nothing to me. "Just turned 18 (swear on me nan Officer!)" sounds needlessly
paranoid. Again, describe. Character descriptions are your first chance to turn the reader on. Ain't nobody chubbing up from a Wiki page.

5. No sex (yet). This is a porn site. If the reader can't conceivably nut, it just doesn't belong here. Publish once the first sex scene is written.
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The first point is a commonly held opinion. We prefer there to be some originality, not the same old same old. But how much originality are we talking about? How unique before it becomes so unique that it's bizarre and no longer fits in the same theme or category.

The second point is not a commonly held opinion. There can be too many pictures but many people like a blend of text and pictures.

The third point is not a commonly held opinion. There is a preference for stories with a certain ratio of depth to breadth but there are some really good linear stories on here and I personally would rather read a linear story then read a design your own story that branches way too much but never gets any chapter depth.

The fourth point, Seriously!? No, saying someone just turned 18 is not a needlessly paranoid thing to say and DD breast size is commonly understood. I will agree that we need more than just some numbers in the description but to prevent a person from using numbers ties the hands of the writer's too much.

The fifth point is also not a commonly held opinion. This is an erotica site, not a porn site. If you come here looking for insert tab A into slot B, pump, pump, pump, wham, bam, Thank you, ma'am, then you're in the wrong place. Part of the reason why I'm here is because I do not enjoy a lot of porn because porn gets to the sex way too quickly. It's become a joke that the common porn storyline is each actor says one line, then the storyline is completely forgotten as they fuck. I want more of a storyline. Let the sex wait for a while in, as Dr. Frankenfurter said in Rocky Horror Picture Show, "Antici.............pation"
 
bejjinks said:
Everyone needs to realize that Sthaana is just speaking from her own personal perspective and she doesn't speak for everyone. Many of the points people are making are opinions shared by many but I would not say all the points made by Sthaana are common.


But how much originality are we talking about? How unique before it becomes so unique that it's bizarre and no longer fits in the same theme or category.

The second point is not a commonly held opinion. There can be too many pictures but many people like a blend of text and pictures.

The third point is not a commonly held opinion. There is a preference for stories with a certain ratio of depth to breadth but there are some really good linear stories on here and I personally would rather read a linear story then read a design your own story that branches way too much but never gets any chapter depth.

The fourth point, Seriously!? No, saying someone just turned 18 is not a needlessly paranoid thing to say and DD breast size is commonly understood.

The fifth point is also not a commonly held opinion. This is an erotica site, not a porn site. If you come here looking for insert tab A into slot B, pump, pump, pump, wham, bam, Thank you, ma'am, then you're in the wrong place. Let the sex wait for a while in, as Dr. Frankenfurter said in Rocky Horror Picture Show, "Antici.............pation"
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I mean yeah, it is all just my opinion. I'm the arbiter of nothing except my own reading habits here.
That being said, I might as well elaborate on my reasoning.

My first point is more that there are so many so similar stories, that it feels like some categories are getting clogged up. I mean, if you want to write Mind Control or ENF, there are dozens of stories to contribute to. I started out here contributing to basically one of those "you are god and get to fuck everyone" stories and that gave me immediate exposure and an easy way to hop on, write what I wanted to and hop off again.

My second point is not so much about pictures per se, but about the different impressions and sexual atmospheres in different types of porn.
In particular, the decision to go with photos VS illustrations can cut off a good chunk of your audience. When I write Family Succubus, I am not envisioning real people, I'm envisioning anime/manga characters. The situations, acts, reactions etc are not drawn from live-action porn, but rather from comics. I don't add pictures, because I don't want to collapse the waveform and turn off people who don't like anime. Similarly, if I'm feeling a story, imagining a sexy situation and then I see some live-action stuff that's nothing like what I imagined, it takes me way out. If my head is thinking idk, Rangiku Matsumoto or Cammy or Hex Maniac, but my eyes tell me Riley Reed, it kills the vibe for me.

Third point I've kind of softened on. The sites format allows for fun serialisation, so linear stories are fine. I do still prefer branchers though...

Fourth point I'll stand by. I don't know what DD is, size-wise, except that it's supposed to be BIG. Inches, feet, years, circumferences etc. are imo better described with adjectives and comparisons.

Fifth point I think has been misunderstood. I don't mean you have to get to the sex immediately (although I do prefer that, personally), but I do think you should have sex somewhere eventually from the moment you hit publish. You shouldn't blueball your readers on a porn/erotica site. Stretch it out and tease the reader as much as you want if you're confident enough in your style and story, but make sure they leave satisfied eventually.
Also, when I read a story here I want to know if the writer has the chops for writing a sex scene. Even if the story is good, unless it's like REALLY good, I'll probably end up dropping it if the sex doesn't get me going...
 
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Sthaana said:
I mean yeah, it is all just my opinion. I'm the arbiter of nothing except my own reading habits here.
That being said, I might as well elaborate on my reasoning.
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I understand. I would not have written anything at all except that I saw some people taking your words as the rules and they began to argue so for their sake, I reminded them that all of these are personal opinions, not rules. It's fine to discuss these opinions but we must remember that they are just opinions.

Sthaana said:
Third point I've kind of softened on. The sites format allows for fun serialisation, so linear stories are fine. I do still prefer branchers though...
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Me too.

Sthaana said:
Fifth point I think has been misunderstood. I don't mean you have to get to the sex immediately (although I do prefer that, personally), but I do think you should have sex somewhere eventually from the moment you hit publish. You shouldn't blueball your readers on a porn/erotica site. Stretch it out and tease the reader as much as you want if you're confident enough in your style and story, but make sure they leave satisfied eventually.
Also, when I read a story here I want to know if the writer has the chops for writing a sex scene. Even if the story is good, unless it's like REALLY good, I'll probably end up dropping it if the sex doesn't get me going...
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It is personal opinion but I disagree. Speaking personally, it has frequently been the case where the stuff that leads to sex turns me on but the moment they start having sex, I lose interest. I don't know why. Maybe because during the lead up, I can still insert myself into the scene but the moment they have sex, I feel excluded. They are having sex with each other, not me. Maybe it's because the sex focuses too much on body parts while the lead up often focuses on the whole person. I have noticed that porn that continues to focus on the whole person instead of just the body parts is less likely to turn me off but it's still typical for me to stop watching or reading once they start having sex. Similarly, maybe it's because they describe sex too mechanically, insert tab A into slot B and repeat. Maybe it's just that they rushed too quickly to the sex. If they allow me enough time to get into it before they start the sex, the sex is less likely to turn me off. It's not that I don't want them to have sex, I just don't want that to be the only thing. I want more.

And no, I don't get blueballs. I don't need a story to tell me when to orgasm. I'll orgasm when I orgasm and often it will be after I use the erotica to springboard into my own imagination. I'll read erotica for a while to prime the pump and then my own mind will take off with my own ideas and then I'll orgasm.
 
wicker said:
...you're writing an incest story that has MC elements.
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Maybe it's just me, but I think that when there's a strong incest component involved, that's the category it needs to go under even when there are other possibilities. The reason being that incest tends to be one of those things where people find it a major turn-on or a major turn-0ff; there's not a lot of middle ground there. Either way, readers will want to know whether it's there. MC is less divisive.

Ideally, it would be possible to designate more than one category for a story, but since we can't I think it makes sense to categorize it by what people might be looking for insofar as how it pertains to the story.
 
Xenolan said:
Maybe it's just me, but I think that when there's a strong incest component involved, that's the category it needs to go under even when there are other possibilities. The reason being that incest tends to be one of those things where people find it a major turn-on or a major turn-0ff; there's not a lot of middle ground there. Either way, readers will want to know whether it's there. MC is less divisive.

Ideally, it would be possible to designate more than one category for a story, but since we can't I think it makes sense to categorize it by what people might be looking for insofar as how it pertains to the story.
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In general I agree with you here. I think that if a story contains incest then it needs to be in the family category.
But it's not always that simple.
What about something like Game of Thrones, would it be accurate for that to be placed in the incest category just because of Jamie and Cersei? With the example of GOT, I'd log it as fantasy and then at the start of the first chapter have a note that said later chapters contain some incest scenes. While I was there I'd also add notes about violence etc. But I'd be torn about doing that because by adding that note I'm giving away one of the shocking moments in the series. I'd have been very annoyed had George Martin added an incest warning!
 
Same with certain fetishes. Scat and diaper stuff and such, even if other categories could also apply, are a massive turn off to a lot of people so any story with those should be clearly marked out for the few people who are into those things.
 
Question is which fetishes require marking. Sure, scat and the like are clearly niche tastes by anyone's standards,
but even in the example above, in a Mind Control Incest story is it the Mind Control or the Incest that should be
marked? Which takes priority in the hierarchy of social questionability?

Personally, I consider incest to be basically vanilla, while I find Mind Control less palatable than just outright
forceful ravishment. Up to a certain point it's a matter of personal tastes and mores...
 
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