He's your Meagan! I need more time to reply to your post over in Researching Stories, but I like the way you've thought out her dynamic with their family. I have a soft spot in general for these characters who don't make the main plot but illuminate other characters. In my newest thread, I kinda hinted at it: the "craziest" place Heather ever had sex was
"under the stars."
LOL yes! And again, a much appreciated shoutout! Thinking about it, that really that makes sense if Heather was thinking of the most unusual place she's had sex, and if she's remembering it as her preferred "first."
HEADCANON ALERT: If you want to place the other two I mentioned in there Ted and Wei (random names at the time, but then so was Rohit, so *shrug*) into Heather's sexual history, I imagined Ted to be one of Brandon's teammates and her actual first, the rather underwhelming, painful, and inconsiderate experience after duskford's described party. (I can't remember who said it, I think it was Vain, but in one of the continuities, Heather made a passing reference to football player stamina isn't being what it's cracked up to be). Rohit was next and the much better memory, and Wei, who I imagined as a greaser, was after him, perhaps in the backseat after a long drive in an older sports car and the engine became choked momentarily (hence the stick-shift and carburetor lines). That still leaves someone else, which I assume Heather knows about so that may exclude her from being the mystery woman with Zack at Ashley's party, but then that's duskford's secret
On a side note however, and one that's been in my head for a while, I don't think this loose overarching continuity doesn't apply for the Heather in the light-hearted threads following the second introduction. For instance, Ashley is far more freer with herself there than anywhere else, happily acknowledging her bisexuality with thanks to Hannah, and Brandon seems far more accepting of that. Taylor too is way more open about herself, even having a FWB relationship with Hannah. So, I like to think that Heather has been more sexually active, though not necessarily with actual intercourse. Oral sex and handjobs are definitely within her repertoire.
And me too, I do have a naughty penchant for thinking of backhistories of characters given information available without actually scenes about them. I'm subscribed to several headcanon and fanon blogs on Tumblr, it's bad, lol.
That reminds me of something I've said all the way back on last year when the story was still a baby; although Heather doesn't mind a relationship, she has that 'let's just have fun' lifestyle deeply rooted in her mind, and even if this is fiction, it'd be a bit unbelievable to think she could just fall head over heels in love with Zack out of the blue. True, she's attracted to him and they could have a lot of fun together, but Zack wants a deeper relationship, and at the moment, Heather can't give it to him. If the story leans towards a Zack/Heather endgame, it'd probably be better portrayed as a summer fling and then have a sequel when they all are just out of college and meeting back at the cabin, then we can see a bit better where they stand.
Definitely. Maybe at some point, they could find each other again, but the more I think about it, I don't think it would translate that way. Still, in the your main continuity, I totally see them as being on-again, off-again lovers, always in different parts of their lives and never at the same point where they could be together. Life-long friends, there for each other when they need it, but doomed to never progress further. It's sad in a way, but maybe that's for the best in the long run. In other universes though, a nudge to the left or the right puts them on the level playing field, like in Cretan Bull's threads, or even our silly dialogues here, and they seem to be inseparable.
Real-life confession: I did have a relationship similar to that with someone before I met my wife. It was torrid and painful and we did love each other, but in the end it was best that we go our separate ways. In another life, who knows, but we're both happy, and that's what matters.
I can see that interpretation, and I think it would be an effective scene! I'm not sure it's absolute aspect of her personality, though. Like duskford says, she seems willing to stay with Zack if he picks her, and she must have a stable, more-or-less happy relationship with Rohit behind her if his mom is still calling her.
Agreed, it really would've been more of an exploration of that scenario than character building, much like giving Chloe anxiety disorder or manmanzane's threads with Zack's amnesia brought on by Kurt's assault. (Frankly, reading that thread makes me feel bad for Kurt in the other continuities. Talk about a parallel universe.) And besides, Bipasha will want to check out Zack to make sure he's right for her:
Bipasha: "Is he good? Does he treat you right? Be honest with me child because I will know, and I will make sure he never gets to you again if he has so much as raised a finger--"
Heather: "Bipasha, please. It's okay. He's okay. Nothing's bad!"
Bipasha: "So, is he good in bed?"
Heather: "WHY DO YOU ASK"
Bipasha: "A woman knows!"
I can totally see Heather exploring different relationship styles. Heather brings Zack to a party, and she picks up someone else before it's over. “Can we take him/her home with us? Please? Pretty please?”
Absolutely! And I can see Zack going along with it:
Zack: "Well, a concubine is a big responsibility, Heather..."
Heather: "I suppose you should know. Was that Ashley I heard in the background when I was off in Geneva for the conference? You and your blondes, Zack, I swear I'm never dying my hair for you, you know."
Zack: "... Okay, touche."
Heather: *smiles* "Maybe a wig though... then maybe we can play Burying the Bishop with the Reverend's Daughter."
Zack: "You like this
way too much."
Vicky's waiting for The One, and now she's confronted with multiple potential The Ones and a couple of hunks. How tragic! I thought you had a really interesting characterization for her under erotophilia: “This will be good practice for someone I love.”
lol, exactly. You know, in thinking about that with our characterization of Vicky, it surprisingly still makes sense. Gavin, much like her blowjob for Zack in the cave, is "practice," though at first. I tried to mutate that into something in line with her monogamous thinking as they went on, where she started to see Gavin in a fatherly role and so that suppressed any issues with their unprotected sex. Part of me always had a bit of a soft spot for a Gavin/Victoria pairing, hence my original pairings in my first threads. Given their developed backstory though, with Vicky being apart of Gavin's (chemistry?) study group, that adds a certain richness to their dynamic, where they do see each other as good friends but Gavin backs off from anything else because he knows Zack's feelings. In any other continuity, that might become more of a Cyrano de Bergerac or Pygmalion/My Fair Lady story.
I forgot that from Cretan Bull's threads, but that's a good turn. I'm a little surprised no one's gone ahead and decided to reveal who Zack's drunken first time was. My foreshadowing senses always tingle when that comes up, to the point where I thought it was Kendra when she kissed him on the deck.
The mystery girl has always been the same person for me, but the reveal will probably get pushed to the sequel as well. However, it's quite probably that someone can have an idea of who it is if they read my main thread in one go, I've left a couple of subtle clues. Of course, there's nothing stopping any of you guys of coming up with your own version of that night's events in a thread.
Having it be Kendra actually makes a hell of a lot of sense, especially if it was when Shawn and her wee still dating and if it was an aborted attempt to keep Zack occupied while he went after, say, Taylor. But he misfired, and it only ended up burning Zack's relationship with Lisa to the ground. That means though that Kendra has already had sex with Zack, meaning that Kendra has an inkling of what sex without Shawn is like, making her a bit more pliable when Shawn suggested the idea in the first place, and makes complete sense of why Shawn would keep Kendra close after their "breakup" when his obsessions went to Vicky. That may mean that Vicky broke up with Dustin around that time too, and with Lisa out of the picture, though painfully, Zack saw his chance with her on the sojourn to Heather's cabin.
I'm not sure if that matches up with the timelines exactly, but I'm not sure if anyone has tried to do that before?
Either way, I totally look forward to the Grand Reveal(tm), duskford!
How do you feel about the Taylor/Zack coupling that seems to have crept in? None of your threads seem to indicate this as something you would expect of either sibling and it certainly didn't seem in character to me.
But I do agree that we're still missing a thread/story where the attraction between Zack and Taylor develops more slowly, with the tension rising and rising until they can't take it anymore; I'm saying this because the two scenes we had between Zack/Taylor so far had their start in an extreme situation, Yarkoz's erotophilia story and the one where Zack watches Taylor having sex with Hannah and Heather and she goes after him. There's one that person89 started, branching off the orgy thread, but he didn't get to the actual sex part yet.
That's
Patzo and Zingiber's collaborative threads, which comes closest to developing more naturally I think, but only in comparison to mine. I based much of Taylor's characterization on that one, and I may be wrong, but I think I'm the only one so far that wrote a Zack/Taylor scene? Person89 will probably get there soon enough though.
duskford, you told me in my recent thread you said Hannah was more aggressive, but I feel she's always been that way, especially if she's horny. Her jumping in the shower to "convince" Taylor to have sex with her, pulling Zack away from Heather and Taylor to dance with her, pushing Gavin and Taylor together and trying (unsuccessfully) to get Zack to have sex with her.
Hannah can be very sexually aggressive, true, but she can pull back when necessary. That was a gamble to jump into the shower with Taylor and she knew it, but I think she still could've patched things up if Taylor said "no." She likes to push people with gentle (?) pressure to keep the mood going, but she's not going to force people into having sex, though she may pout a lot before coming up with another plan ("Truth or dare?"). Contrast this to Shawn who has no real self-control and his sexual aggression is about power over others and situations. His is a more true meaning of manipulation, containing no regard to anyone's feelings. Hannah is sexually liberated and wants to free everyone. Shawn is emotionally stunted and wants to keep them constrained.
I agree with your idea for the side characters, Patzo. I even have two of them who I didn't give too much attention; Madison (Brandon's sister who was on the alternate beginning thread, but I'm expecting to use her more on the sequel) and Holly McRose (Chloe's 16-year old sister who, for obvious reasons, can't appear in a sex scene).
I really want to explore Holly in the sequel. Madison was just pure fun, so I'd imagine Holly would be too.
Ha! “No, Ted, things aren't better if you stay! That girl he's singing about is his grandma!”
LOL, yes.
Finally, I can start contributing again I believe this coming Sunday, barring anything else. I'm really itching to return to the orgy thread, you guys have been masterful.
EDIT: Well, I had some more time than I thought I did today, so I managed to finish an old thread I started. Hope you enjoy for now.
EDIT EDIT: With duskford's approval, here's the link for easier access --
http://chyoa.com/story/at-the-cabin/thread/the-morning-is-dawning-and-kurt-awakes
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