Do you write for a queer or trans audience?

Testytesterton said:
Yes you write what you want to do. But a lot of queer sex is learned by doing, just like everything.

No offense, but you seem to be arguing in terms of fairness that don't apply. It does not matter why a work doesn't resonate with an audience. It only matters if it does. This isn't a cut and dried thing I can give you hard and fast rules for.

I think we are going in circles so I will finish by saying this, I can't tell you how or what to write and I have no intention to. I have offered my opinion formed from my experience, and that's really all I can offer.
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I’m not arguing at all, I’m not asking you to dictate the rules, I’m asking for your perspective. I’m not asking you to tell me how to write, but I’m asking what you genuinely think is the best way to actually gain experience and the mindset that you’re looking for. You seem to be misunderstanding my questions as means of counter but in actuality I’m just curious what you think.
 
Humilatron said:
I’m not arguing at all, I’m not asking you to dictate the rules, I’m asking for your perspective. I’m not asking you to tell me how to write, but I’m asking what you genuinely think is the best way to actually gain experience and the mindset that you’re looking for. You seem to be misunderstanding my questions as means of counter but in actuality I’m just curious what you think.
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I don't know how I can be clearer. My perspective is you should experience the things you want to write about and then extrapolate upon that. Authenticity helps sell the most fantastic elements. Aside from that, the more you read the better you write. That's my perspective.
 
gene.sis said:
So is the actual question of the thread rather meant to be
"Are there any trans people who write with a trans audience in mind?"
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Nope. I would have asked that instead if that's what I meant. I meant are there any people het or queer or cis or trans that write with a queer or non cis audience in mind.

I think it is substantially more difficult to write for an audience you don't share experiences with, but I would be interested in seeing the work of people trying.

I asked for people that were writing or attempting to write with a queer lens. Instead a lot of the replies are from people saying 'no', when I hoped I made it clear I was looking for people who are. It's an open forum, but I do think it is insensitive for people to chime in with takes dismissing the need for writing to a queer audience or the unfairness of the expectation of authenticity in writing.

It feels pretty hostile to be honest and I can't help but wonder if that's not one reason you don't see more written for a queer audience on chyoa.
 
If you’re going to ask if people can or do, you should expect questions of clarification of what you want. It’s not hostile or at least I wasn’t trying to be. I was just trying to learn what your actual approach to this was that was it. But then it was just dismissed as an argument or off topic point instead of an actual interest to further delve into an honestly interesting conversation so I just moved on with my life. You can’t ask can someone do ___ or do you ___ without expecting someone to try and see what your full viewpoint is. Otherwise someone could say yes and end up talking about something completely different from what you are actually meaning.
 
Humilatron said:
If you’re going to ask if people can or do, you should expect questions of clarification of what you want. It’s not hostile or at least I wasn’t trying to be. I was just trying to learn what your actual approach to this was that was it. But then it was just dismissed as an argument or off topic point instead of an actual interest to further delve into an honestly interesting conversation so I just moved on with my life. You can’t ask can someone do ___ or do you ___ without expecting someone to try and see what your full viewpoint is. Otherwise someone could say yes and end up talking about something completely different from what you are actually meaning.
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What gene asked is a fair question because from the responses it doesn’t sound like you actually want cis queer content for example. It sounds like what you actually want is trans queer or trans in general content which is fair but a different question than just LGBTQ+ content which I have found has a large presence on CHYOA. Although it might not suit your subgenre of interest.
 
Humilatron said:
It sounds like what you actually want is trans queer or trans in general content which is fair but a different question than just LGBTQ+ content which I have found has a large presence on CHYOA. Although it might not suit your subgenre of interest
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Are you deliberately ignoring where Testy said PrinceCai's work had a lot of queer appeal?
 
DeviantChalice said:
Are you deliberately ignoring where Testy said PrinceCai's work had a lot of queer appeal?
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I didn’t ignore anything. I am stating that there is queer presence in work that might not appeal to them. Which is true. I don’t know if they read ENF or ABDL or other works in other subgrenres so they might not be aware of the presence that exists there. Please do not take words out of my mouth and make presumptions.
 
Also I was not complaining about the unfairness of expectation of authenticity. That was just the interpretation that I guess was portrayed, but all I was doing was wondering who has the authority, who has the experience, and who has the potential of writing the content you all have requested. It wasn’t meant as a dictation, it was a philosophical question and meant to deal with psychology. Like is it possible for a straight person to experience and learn what a queer person also has if they are using the same resources assuming they are both researching and not just experiencing it. Or will they both have different outcomes of the information. All of this would have been followed up depending on people’s analysis with further discussion of well is it even possible for someone who is not in the community to tap that audience? Which the answer would’ve been yes but perhaps not with the exact same effect. But instead it was just dismissed and put up as a complaint or excuse when all I was was curious. Which is where I checked out from the discussion.
 
Humilatron said:
Also I was not complaining about the unfairness of expectation of authenticity. That was just the interpretation that I guess was portrayed, but all I was doing was wondering who has the authority, who has the experience, and who has the potential of writing the content you all have requested. It wasn’t meant as a dictation, it was a philosophical question and meant to deal with psychology. Like is it possible for a straight person to experience and learn what a queer person also has if they are using the same resources assuming they are both researching and not just experiencing it. Or will they both have different outcomes of the information. All of this would have been followed up depending on people’s analysis with further discussion of well is it even possible for someone who is not in the community to tap that audience? Which the answer would’ve been yes but perhaps not with the exact same effect. But instead it was just dismissed and put up as a complaint or excuse when all I was was curious. Which is where I checked out from the discussion.
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I am exhausted of philosophical questions of authority and experience. Everywhere I go, I run into members of the LGBTQIA community like you, or allies that expect me to engage in devils advocate arguments with middle school level debate rhetoric. I just wanted to know about queer content. That's not a lot to ask. Not really.

It is beyond fucked that you are trying to pigehole that as trans exclusively. Like extremely supremely beyond fucked that because I am a trans women, you think I can only be interested in trans porn even when I have explicitly praised non trans queer porn in this thread.

Btw my pronouns are she, her. I would ask you use them, but I'd also ask we take this to private messages so hopefully someone who actually wants to talk about the queer fiction they write can.
 
Whoa first of all, I didn’t even know you were a transwoman I was literally using they/them because I have found it is the safest option to do so when on the internet as assuming either of the others can easily create a problem, so I always default to they/then when I am unsure since they are neutral pronouns.

We were not saying that we think you are only interested in trans content, but that this conversation seemed more leaned towards that rather than cis queer content. We were not assuming preference. But there is a heavy presence of cis queer content already which is why it seemed to be more targeted towards the trans side and wanting more from that.

What is wrong with philosophy? All it is is curiosity. I didn’t say you were obligated to answer. This is an open public forum, I was just interested in seeing if people had thoughts on it not you specifically. I don’t know the people you run into and to me it is offensive that you would even say “LGBTQ+ people like me” I do not represent everyone out there I only represent myself. I do not know every conversation you’ve had in the past nor the background of you at all. All I know is what you have said in this discussion. That is it. My position was not animosity and yet you seem to be attacking anyways. I do NOT feel comfortable with you coming into my DMs so please do NOT do so.

I’m sorry if you assumed I was coming from a position of animosity or aggressiveness I just had a curious mind. Questions and curiosity should NEVER be discouraged no matter what they are otherwise how are others to learn.

I feel now uncomfortable with all of this and I wish not to engage further if you want to reply go ahead, I’ll see it, but do not private message me. Do not contact me otherwise.
 
Humilatron said:
We were not saying that we think you are only interested in trans content,
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Above you said "It sounds like what you actually want is trans queer or trans in general content" so don't give us that. You seem very determined not to be wrong and not understand why your line of conversation might be getting on the wrong side of her, right down to your "I'm sorry if you feel that way" kind of "apology" here.

No. Please try and take some responsibility for your own actions.
 
I’m transgender myself….but you know, I’m not actually all too into “sissy” content at large. I don’t find it offensive or anything, but as odd as it may sound, trap is generally an on and off mood for me and I prefer straight sex over anything. And these are just my thoughts. You aren’t wrong for liking things more or disliking things I enjoy.

Lesbianism by itself is pretty boring to me and needs…actual things to keep it interesting. Toys at minimum. This isn’t to bash anybody’s sexuality. I mean in the vein of writing and reading, pure lesbianism as “She eats her out, or she eats her out.” Gets old, reeeaallly fast.

I’m not even that much of a fan of male perspective characters. Generally speaking female mcs, just lend themselves to a lot more options and have a wider range of things to do with them.

Trap content…I can be into, but not as anything I’m consistently into. If the artwork or scene being written is good enough though…and same with lesbainism. Quality of a scene can play a big role on when we enjoy something and when we don’t. So really, just speaking for myself, I enjoy female point of view, and female x male sex the most out of other things.
 
Auraicide said:
I’m transgender myself….but you know, I’m not actually all too into “sissy” content at large. I don’t find it offensive or anything, but as odd as it may sound, trap is generally an on and off mood for me and I prefer straight sex over anything. And these are just my thoughts. You aren’t wrong for liking things more or disliking things I enjoy.

Lesbianism by itself is pretty boring to me and needs…actual things to keep it interesting. Toys at minimum. This isn’t to bash anybody’s sexuality. I mean in the vein of writing and reading, pure lesbianism as “She eats her out, or she eats her out.” Gets old, reeeaallly fast.

I’m not even that much of a fan of male perspective characters. Generally speaking female mcs, just lend themselves to a lot more options and have a wider range of things to do with them.

Trap content…I can be into, but not as anything I’m consistently into. If the artwork or scene being written is good enough though…and same with lesbainism. Quality of a scene can play a big role on when we enjoy something and when we don’t. So really, just speaking for myself, I enjoy female point of view, and female x male sex the most out of other things.
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I think that makes since. A lot of trans experiences and fantasies are straight after all. I also find a lot of lesbian content dull, and I am a lesbian. I think too much is written by straight men fantasizing about porn.

That's what I mean by writing for a queer audience. There's a lot gay girls get up to that people don't know about.
 
Testytesterton said:
I think that makes since. A lot of trans experiences and fantasies are straight after all. I also find a lot of lesbian content dull, and I am a lesbian. I think too much is written by straight men fantasizing about porn.

That's what I mean by writing for a queer audience. There's a lot gay girls get up to that people don't know about.
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Well I’m a new writer, and I’d very much appreciate if you could explain what you’d look for in a lesbian scene. Being a guy myself, and the lack of lesbian content, it makes it hard for me to make a compelling lesbian scene. Is there also anything I could do with more traditional scenes that would make it more compelling for you?
 
Hmm. I will one day get around to writing my queer story, but for a variety of reason both typical (lack of time) and lame (cowardly fear of writing gay shit) I haven't yet.

I don't write trans fiction but I plan to take a tentative attempt at it, but I do worry it would be dull and pointless. I have queer characters and some gay sex but I wouldn't consider any of it actually for a queer audience per se. One thing I do try to do is write characters with a broad range of genders and sexualities and sensibilities (and races etc) but rarely do they get to have the sexy-times fun. That's on me obviously, but I hope to branch out someday soon.
 
Testytesterton said:
I've noticed that most of the fiction here is written with a cis lens, even in the transsexual section. I wrote a lot of it myself. It's only recently that I have been writing specifically with a trans and queer audience in mind, and I wondered if anyone else is?
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Queer sexual content, yes. Queer culture, not really. My story When The Cat's Away has a ton of enthusiastic bisexual, homosexual, swinging, friends-with-benefits, sex-is-fun activity, and a lot of consensual incest, but the thematic frame is that the characters mostly are "passing" in their day-to-day presentation. That leaves the younger characters at a bit of a loss because they're not wise to what mom and dad have been up to (on purpose so as not to burden them) so they're sneaking around and making their own mistakes.

Trans content, a bit, lightly and without direct insight, in some of the Boarbristle Academy chapters in Lusty Magical Academy. I draw from fantasy literature about magical transformation or SF&F wish-fulfillment (say, Jack L. Chalker's works; or Ozma of Oz growing up as a boy serving Mombi the Witch, and being re-transformed into the beautiful rightful queen of Oz by Glinda). I'm no Charlie Jane Anders. (Read Charlie! She's fabulous!)

Edit: To answer the original question: No, I'm writing for myself, and not specifically for a trans/queer audience.
 
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