[TW] Hard non-con first person story idea

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(Trigger Warning: Sexual Abuse)

Would anyone be interested in a first-person choose your own style adventure through the eyes of a sexual predator? Or would that be considered too crass even for the 'non-con' category?

I'm planning on creating a scenario where the reader have the option to follow a young businesswoman into an elevator, then proceeds to commit acts of depravity to her.
 
We have stories like the one with beastmen, which has non-con threads, as well as several stories with succubi/incubi preying on people. So clearly there is a way to make a story with a sexual predator without crossing the line. Not sure how rough you plan to make the story but at least the ones where the victim ends up enjoying it are allowed.

...And if this fails and the moderators do not consider it suitable then you could reverse the POV and a story through the eyes of the victim would fill a different niche of rape fantasies, which is suprisingly popular as well.
 
Really depends how you frame it.

Stuff with non-humans doing the raping tend to get a pass although really in the end if you are going for a realistic representation then I think that would maybe get blocked by the mods.

From what I have seen it really depends how you write it. Focusing on the misery of the victim is likely to get it refused but mostly focusing on the pleasure of the aggressor might get a pass.

The Succubi/Incubus stuff tends to end up being more mind control stuff which is a whole other thing.
 
lizisbest said:
Focusing on the misery of the victim is likely to get it refused but mostly focusing on the pleasure of the aggressor might get a pass.
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Why?
I mean, focusing on the pleasure of the aggressor basically glorifies the crime while focusing on the misery of the victim could even be considered as non-pornographic, showing the immediate consequences of it.
 
I don't see any of this being an issue with the rules.

Don't make it a slasher, and you're good. Eyes of the victim, perpetrator, human, non-human, doesn't matter, victim ends up liking it or turning the tables, victim ends up broken and miserable and hating every moment, or someplace in between with self loathing for their body's response...

All that and more is fine. Knock yourself out. If youre worried about readership, there's readers for any of it.

Speaking for myself, I could enjoy a premise like that.
 
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Loeman said:
Don't make it a slasher, and you're good. Eyes of the victim, perpetrator, human, non-human, doesn't matter, victim ends up liking it or turning the tables, victim ends up broken and miserable and hating every moment, or someplace in between with self loathing for their body's response...
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This. There's some light hearted..."Silly" non-con stories on the site and there's pretty dark, miserable non-con stories. As long as you're not writing a story which describes the predator tying up their victim and disemboweling them while they're still alive, then you're probably okay.

As the rules say:
Da Roolz said:
extreme violence is not allowed. Power plays, non-consent fantasies and a reasonable amount of violence are fine.
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Thank you so much for the replies! At first, I was quite concerned about the premise of the story, which deals with kidnapping and potentially rape. I will tread the line very carefully.
 
gene.sis said:
Why?
I mean, focusing on the pleasure of the aggressor basically glorifies the crime while focusing on the misery of the victim could even be considered as non-pornographic, showing the immediate consequences of it.
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Mostly going off of my experience with trying to get stuff on to Lit so I tend to use that as my guide line and they have some weird unwritten rules in my experience.
 
I have my story The Godfucker but I've never really thought much about it in a while. It's pretty depraved without any violence per se but I haven't really worked on it for a while.
 
gene.sis said:
I mean, focusing on the pleasure of the aggressor basically glorifies the crime while focusing on the misery of the victim could even be considered as non-pornographic, showing the immediate consequences of it.
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Personally, having been the victim of rape, I prefer this myself, showing that there is a cost and consequence of it. It is the stories where "if you dick them good enough, then they will end up fine with it and everything is okay" that I personally find more revolting. Yes, even having been the victim of real life rape, I still read and write rape fantasies. But, I make sure they are human, so that you can get a sense of how reality is.

I wrote about the main character being drugged and raped in my story: https://chyoa.com/chapter/Sure,-one-beer-can't-hurt.244674

Following that path, you see the way the victim feels, and in the end, there is a somewhat violent outcome as the main character basically loses it and ends up killing them. I tried to keep it short and not too graphic, but it makes the character feel more authentic, so when you read through other paths, the character is someone you can relate and empathize with.

I even wrote about being raped in real life here: https://chyoa.com/chapter/Get-the-gun,-just-to-scare-him-away.368997

It was hard, writing it, and I ended up a wreck for a few days after, but it helps to get it out, and also shows others what it is really like.
 
gene.sis said:
Why?
I mean, focusing on the pleasure of the aggressor basically glorifies the crime while focusing on the misery of the victim could even be considered as non-pornographic, showing the immediate consequences of it.
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Well, it is easy. It is assumed that one writes erotic stories about stuff about things he (yes, it is also assumed that only males write this stuff) enjoy.
If one describes suffering of a victim in a great detail than this is perceived as "Hey, this sicko is an extreme sadist and is turned by making woman suffer!"

Or you can look at this from another point of view. Usually, People read erotic stories to hmm... receive pleasure... and it is quite a turn-off to read about pain and sufferings of the other side.
Millions and millions of males that have this kind of fantasies don't rape woman IRL because they have that thing called compassion and don't want to hurt anyone, why should they enjoy reading about pain in a fantasy?
 
Hvast said:
Well, it is easy. It is assumed that one writes erotic stories about stuff about things he (yes, it is also assumed that only males write this stuff) enjoy.
If one describes suffering of a victim in a great detail than this is perceived as "Hey, this sicko is an extreme sadist and is turned by making woman suffer!"

Or you can look at this from another point of view. Usually, People read erotic stories to hmm... receive pleasure... and it is quite a turn-off to read about pain and sufferings of the other side.
Millions and millions of males that have this kind of fantasies don't rape woman IRL because they have that thing called compassion and don't want to hurt anyone, why should they enjoy reading about pain in a fantasy?
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Females write, fantasize about, and enjoy non-con fantasies.

Anyway if sadism or masochism is part of a person's turn ons then fantasizing about inflicted sexual misery can indeed be a turn on - RL capacity for compassion or no.
 
Loeman said:
Females write, fantasize about, and enjoy non-con fantasies.

Anyway if sadism or masochism is part of a person's turn ons then fantasizing about inflicted sexual misery can indeed be a turn on - RL capacity for compassion or no.
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Yep. Sure.

I answered why non-consent with detailed descriptions 0f victims suffering is less acceptable for majority. At least it is how I think they think. It is hard for me to understand people who see no difference between action and thought.
 
Hvast said:
Well, it is easy. It is assumed that one writes erotic stories about stuff about things he (yes, it is also assumed that only males write this stuff) enjoy.
If one describes suffering of a victim in a great detail than this is perceived as "Hey, this sicko is an extreme sadist and is turned by making woman suffer!"
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A quite narrow-minded point of view, though it actually could be a widespread opinion.

However, in my eyes, it is much more sick to write "the aggressor enjoys it and the victim will enjoy it soon", so you just have to force them (no restriction about the victims' genders) to make them happy.
 
Hvast said:
Yep. Sure.

I answered why non-consent with detailed descriptions 0f victims suffering is less acceptable for majority. At least it is how I think they think. It is hard for me to understand people who see no difference between action and thought.
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Ah.

My bad.
 
gene.sis said:
Why?
I mean, focusing on the pleasure of the aggressor basically glorifies the crime while focusing on the misery of the victim could even be considered as non-pornographic, showing the immediate consequences of it.
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Reading this back I just realised I actually got what I meant kinda backwards. What I meant to say is that the kind that seems to be allowed on sites like lit usually fall into the "victim ends up liking it" sub category. There absolutely are people out there who want to read "hard" non-con stories that go into extreme detail of every aspect, hell there are people who consider the film Irreversible to be a porno. However I don't think sites like Lit and Chyoa would allow that kind of content.

More broadly I think that for a lot people the idea of non-con tends to attract them for the same reason Incest is so popular. Combined they are pretty much THE two biggest social taboos around and transgressing a taboo will always have a thrill. The bigger the taboo the bigger the thrill for some people. They also would almost certainly not want to ever actually act out those fantasies in real life.
 
lizisbest said:
However I don't think sites like Lit and Chyoa would allow that kind of content.
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So how much is ok?
I have neutral feeling on this specific matter, but more in general i'm an advocate of the freedom fictional works (yet easily converted by possible legal issues), so again i ask what's the limit?
Speaking of pure taste, i'm kind of turned off by the plethora of stories where non-con is lightly trown in the mix, and everyone's happy after that.
Woman consent is just overlooked, unimportant.

But surprisingly those are ok, and something like this https://chyoa.com/chapter/You-don't-but,-it's-a-vote--There-is-no-bonus-for-that.274767 (chose the non-con option if you are curious) is proably not.
I'm not linking it to get a couple more likes (as i'm not particularly proud of those chapters in the state they are now, i had plans, never implemented, to revise them), just reading the thread really made me think of it.

And well, if your are asking, i'm definetly i sicko and the back of my car is never short of duct tape, a kinfe and a shovel ...
 
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