At the Cabin
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Duskford
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Thanks for the feedback, guys! Well, what I have planned is something along the lines of Zack being unable to stay away from one of them and focusing on just one. I already hinted about an upcoming twist that would make Zack and Heather stay apart from each other, but that everything would work out in the end. On this new rough draft I've made, things will get more serious, they'll really be unable to get together, at least in public. And that's where Zack's relationship with Victoria will start to flourish, with the previous feelings they had for each other coming back to the surface while Zack and Heather are struggling with whatever that split them. In the end, Victoria, who isn't someone that usually thinks about threeway relationships, is the one who's going to point out that Zack will never be able to be happy with just one of them and that he can't forget one of them to favor the other, so she'll invite Heather into their relationship when no one is looking. Also, this storyline will require two stories, the current "At The Cabin" I'm writing and that I'm going to finish and a sequel after they return from the cabin, at their town.
Zingiber
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Imagining Victoria putting on her thinking cap and doing the Sherlock Holmes thing. "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?"
I've always had a soft spot for Zack-Vicky, mostly because I've been there- the crush you wait way to long to say anything to. This would be interesting. I'm most interested to see how you pull him and Heather apart because I suspect it will make them finally coming back together all that much better.
Yarkoz
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First off, henrytemp, joining in on the praise, excellent series of threads lately, very hot! You paint a scene very well. Anything I could add to your thoughts I think has already been said -- Kurt/Ashley could work, and could be a great source for introspection for both characters on what they really want sexually in life. Ashley does crave spontaneity and power in sex, and Kurt's bad experiences could be on the mend with someone he sees as a worthy partner. It may not last a while, but as long as they need it to last. I do foresee her relationship with Brandon not surviving it, though that might be for the best in this case. Ashley discovers a part of herself that Brandon simply can't fill, despite his character in every other respect.
Secondly, the three-way relationship is an interesting compromise, duskford, though, despite what I've written, I've been a fan of Zack/Heather. However, having Heather be on the sidelines and not be as active would be very difficult for her I'd imagine -- I look forward to seeing how that develops. I feel that part of Zack's characterization is that he's a bit circumstantial when it comes to the women in his life, though I can see him maturing in having a frank conversation with Victoria over Heather.
Finally, much like Vain and duskford, I'll be editing my threads, and returning to my original suite of threads to reflect changes in how we've developed each of the characters. For example, I originally viewed Vicky as more like Heather and Ashley, but she's been refashioned as a bookworm who already knows Gavin, so my threads with those two need to be restructured. And I never finished what happened with Chloe and Brandon, so I need to fix that, and, I think, add more details to show why they're fearful of Dale and Cassidy. The erotophilia storyline will continue too -- psychological tweaking and awakening through sex is fun
Input and opinions are welcome of course.
Secondly, the three-way relationship is an interesting compromise, duskford, though, despite what I've written, I've been a fan of Zack/Heather. However, having Heather be on the sidelines and not be as active would be very difficult for her I'd imagine -- I look forward to seeing how that develops. I feel that part of Zack's characterization is that he's a bit circumstantial when it comes to the women in his life, though I can see him maturing in having a frank conversation with Victoria over Heather.
Finally, much like Vain and duskford, I'll be editing my threads, and returning to my original suite of threads to reflect changes in how we've developed each of the characters. For example, I originally viewed Vicky as more like Heather and Ashley, but she's been refashioned as a bookworm who already knows Gavin, so my threads with those two need to be restructured. And I never finished what happened with Chloe and Brandon, so I need to fix that, and, I think, add more details to show why they're fearful of Dale and Cassidy. The erotophilia storyline will continue too -- psychological tweaking and awakening through sex is fun
Input and opinions are welcome of course.Thanks for the kind words Yarkoz.
I will say the Ashley in that thread and the Ashley in my main thread differ a little. In that thread, like you said, her desire for more sex and spontaneous sex is what drives those scenes. In my main thread it's her insecurity toward Heather that's pushing her to Kurt. Though, as I wrote in the wine cellar scene, she does desire the spontaneity. I kinda think all the girls have a little insecurity because of Heather, though it's not her fault she's the bombshell of the group. With Ashley I think that insecurity has been there, but was suppressed because of her relationship with Brandon. But the perceived cheating has made it bubble to the surface.
And I think both situations are realistic for the same character. Life is what happens to us, and how we react to what happens to us. Different situations bring out different parts of each character's personality.
I will say the Ashley in that thread and the Ashley in my main thread differ a little. In that thread, like you said, her desire for more sex and spontaneous sex is what drives those scenes. In my main thread it's her insecurity toward Heather that's pushing her to Kurt. Though, as I wrote in the wine cellar scene, she does desire the spontaneity. I kinda think all the girls have a little insecurity because of Heather, though it's not her fault she's the bombshell of the group. With Ashley I think that insecurity has been there, but was suppressed because of her relationship with Brandon. But the perceived cheating has made it bubble to the surface.
And I think both situations are realistic for the same character. Life is what happens to us, and how we react to what happens to us. Different situations bring out different parts of each character's personality.
Duskford
CHYOA Guru
First off, henrytemp, joining in on the praise, excellent series of threads lately, very hot! You paint a scene very well. Anything I could add to your thoughts I think has already been said -- Kurt/Ashley could work, and could be a great source for introspection for both characters on what they really want sexually in life. Ashley does crave spontaneity and power in sex, and Kurt's bad experiences could be on the mend with someone he sees as a worthy partner. It may not last a while, but as long as they need it to last. I do foresee her relationship with Brandon not surviving it, though that might be for the best in this case. Ashley discovers a part of herself that Brandon simply can't fill, despite his character in every other respect.
Secondly, the three-way relationship is an interesting compromise, duskford, though, despite what I've written, I've been a fan of Zack/Heather. However, having Heather be on the sidelines and not be as active would be very difficult for her I'd imagine -- I look forward to seeing how that develops. I feel that part of Zack's characterization is that he's a bit circumstantial when it comes to the women in his life, though I can see him maturing in having a frank conversation with Victoria over Heather.
Finally, much like Vain and duskford, I'll be editing my threads, and returning to my original suite of threads to reflect changes in how we've developed each of the characters. For example, I originally viewed Vicky as more like Heather and Ashley, but she's been refashioned as a bookworm who already knows Gavin, so my threads with those two need to be restructured. And I never finished what happened with Chloe and Brandon, so I need to fix that, and, I think, add more details to show why they're fearful of Dale and Cassidy. The erotophilia storyline will continue too -- psychological tweaking and awakening through sex is fun
Yarkoz, I think this circumstantial way Zack handles his women is a fruit of his indecision (and a little bit of mine too) towards Victoria and Heather and the fact that deep down he knows he screwed up a really good relationship with Lisa, and therefore doesn't want it to happen again, now that I've acknowledged that having the three of them together is the best path, I can work better on my story, I think. Heather will just have to deal with what will happen, she's strong enough for it and I think I've came up with an end that'll satisfy both hers and Vicky's fans. Zack's process of maturity will be somehow of a lonely path, dealing with things with Taylor's help; he already suffered a blow with what happened between him, Victoria and Kendra, and now he's gonna have to deal with the Heather incident; he'll be forced to grow up so he can deal with stuff in a better way.
I guess I always had a soft spot for both Victoria and Heather, so joining them both with Zack would be the only ending that would fully satisfy me. If I had Zack end up with only Heather, Victoria would have to be wasted on a secondary character, the only other character I feel is a good match for her is Gavin, but in my threads he's already dating Chloe; on the other hand, if I had Zack end up with Victoria, Heather would be the one to be wasted, except that she could be paired up with Kurt (a possibility I haven't fully written out yet). Of course, I could always create new characters to pair up with the "third wheel", but I think the story already has too many main characters.
Patzo
Really Experienced
Duskford, have you considered turning one of the girls into a sexy hermit? Living alone on the side of a mountain while Zack's children hear stories of the Bigass/Bigtits he once got freaky with in a cave. 
(I joke. I'll catch up and give a serious response in the morning.)
(I joke. I'll catch up and give a serious response in the morning.)
Zingiber
Really Really Experienced
Huh, I thought that either Victoria (studious, tentative) or Heather (doesn't want to close off doors) would be JUST FINE emerging from Spring Break without a boyfriend. Ashley would be devastated to leave without someone on her arm. Chloe might be coming up to really wanting someone special for herself, someone nice who won't hurt her.
Edit: but if you're setting up the sequel, okay, maybe you do want to pair folks off or at least set up the pairings here.
So I need some input on a storyline that I'm struggling with. I want to do a Kurt-Vicky story, but I don't want it to be her "falling for the same old jerk." My thought is to have him hit on her in some obscene way and she decides to draw a line. She tells him she won't let him ruin her vacation with his constant remarks and that if he wants to have any chance at her he should treat her with respect.
In response I see him going through the motions of being a respectful guy, doing what he has to to get some tail. But at some point he starts actually respecting her. This coupled with some other events would bring about the change in him- he doesn't want to pretend to be a good guy, he wants to be a guy Vicky could respect.
Do you think this line could work and do you have any suggestions to help me out making it work?
In response I see him going through the motions of being a respectful guy, doing what he has to to get some tail. But at some point he starts actually respecting her. This coupled with some other events would bring about the change in him- he doesn't want to pretend to be a good guy, he wants to be a guy Vicky could respect.
Do you think this line could work and do you have any suggestions to help me out making it work?
Duskford
CHYOA Guru
Patzo, laughed at the joke, maybe it's a path someone would like to explore.
Zingiber, they would perfectly be fine without boyfriends, it's just that I see the story as a way to hook up the characters, or at least plant the seed for it. Zack, for example, he'll end At The Cabin alone, he'll only get together for real with the girls once they're back in town.
Zingiber, they would perfectly be fine without boyfriends, it's just that I see the story as a way to hook up the characters, or at least plant the seed for it. Zack, for example, he'll end At The Cabin alone, he'll only get together for real with the girls once they're back in town.
Duskford
CHYOA Guru
I think it could very well work out the way you described your idea, henrytemp. As a suggestion, maybe he could fuck her for the first time while still pretending, then he would fall in love with her, but she'd have had discovered his lie, then he would have to win her heart for real this time.
Zingiber
Really Really Experienced
Duskford,
I've really appreciated how generous you've been with the thread comments for new additions. It's been a boost to my interest in contributing, and I look to see what you've said to others.
I'll try to follow your example when I'm get threads on my stories.
-Z.
I've really appreciated how generous you've been with the thread comments for new additions. It's been a boost to my interest in contributing, and I look to see what you've said to others.
I'll try to follow your example when I'm get threads on my stories.
-Z.
Duskford
CHYOA Guru
Thanks, Zingiber. I just think that if the writer takes the time to come up with something to contribute to the story, the least I can do is reciprocate and take some time to help them develop the idea, you know, that way we can all help each other as well. That and the fact that I love to read about my characters just as much as I love writing about them.
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I'm intrigued by the idea of having Zack actually lose her to Kurt right away. However it doesn't fit the arch of my main story. But I've been bouncing around quite a few ideas that don't really fit that storyline and don't really work as branch off storylines either.
I'm thinking I could do something like this as a branch off of your main story, just before the water prank. Then when they enter the room to do the prank they see the aftermath and go from there.
Duskford
CHYOA Guru
Or they can catch the two of them in the act, it'd have more shock value and more opportunities to explore the characters' thoughts and reaction. I know the water prank scene takes place very late into the night, but Kurt and Vicky could have woke up and felt like an encore was in order.
that'll work. and you just helped me figure out how it happens.
I'll probably try and punch it out later tonight.ahh thanks. got about 90% of it figured out which is good enough to start, just not sure if I'm emotionally ready haha. The Ashley scenes were intense to write and I think these will be too. it's draining.