The Tower of Voices Voting Thread

Letting them tell their side sounds reasonable. Though, as they are eager to talk and there are less than half of the fangs present, they could be stalling for time.
 
I don't think there's anything they can say that would cause us to switch over to their side, but I think we should let them talk so we can at least figure out what they were hoping to achieve with this curse. It'd probably be worth using Identify on the one who's speaking as well.

Also, it looks like we have a pattern with the floor monsters. One is insect-like and uses poisons, one is undead, and one devours its prey. That echoes The Hive, the Tomb of the Restless, and the Hungry Sands respectively. If we do have to go to the Hungry Sands, expect some kind of serpent as the floor monster.
 
Hm, so it appears Hess is in the clear or very good at faking it.


Might be best to get as much information out of them as we can, let's hope this floors pick a side, ends slightly better then the last time.
 
Huh, good observation about the floor monsters.

Im not particularly opposed to listening to them, but as hugin says it might just be buying time. And I don't think they will convince me they are right if for no reason than I don't like the method. But I don't see an issue with there being more of them, more numbers doesn't cause many problems (100 robots sure didn't.)
 
TheLeherengin said:
Newest Chapter: DESTROYING THE FOLLOWERS OF THE DESERT MOTHER WITH FACTS AND LOGIC!

I promise despite the joke and the slightly parodic nature of this, I am not in fact making any sort of real world political statement here and do not intend to use Yulia as any sort of soapbox do not worry. I'm just having a laugh and I find the "facts and logic" crowd, very funny and wanted to poke a bit of fun.
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Facts and logic? Sounds like it will be more of "Cum and Bondage" kind of situation looking at what that snake girl is into. I am sure she could get teased into submission and lose all respect she has from her fellow fangs. And I know someone that is expert at this.

Clears throat.

Oraaaaa! Uhh. I mean Gambiooo!
 
Great, a conspiracy theorist with a protagonist complex, and identify has clearly chosen a side here. Classically conspiracy theories are effectively immune to logic and so an appeal to emotion is required. Of course they are usually headed by "strong" and charismatic figures and often built to fit an ideal (evidence found to match).

So, defeat the logic on the basis that Lehe is vulnerable to that, appeal to a stronger emotion, appeal to their ideal, discredit the figurehead and provide an alternative path for the emotions and ideals.

Discrediting the figurehead is probably easiest, let's leave that to the expert.
I'm going to try and dismantle the argument, give me a little while to get my logical lamias in a row.
 
Boodalian said:
Discrediting the figurehead is probably easiest, let's leave that to the expert.
I'm going to try and dismantle the argument, give me a little while to get my logical lamias in a row.
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Easy? She blushed when getting identified. I give her down bad/10 on horny scale.
 
I wasn't expecting to be convinced by the Fangs, but I'm honestly kind of disappointed how weak this argument is. "The lamia and naga came from somewhere else" doesn't really hold a lot of weight when we don't know where they came from or why they came to the desert. And as Yulia pointed out, it seems like more than a coincidence that the lamia and naga arrived at the same time from two separate places. If anything, our new slut here can't even point to any specific actions by the Sand Mother that harm her believers. Also, Identify mentioned she had caused this curse with "dark powers," why go to them if the One True God is the being she believes to be the only god in the Tower? She also hasn't explained *why* the curse prevents intimacy between the naga and lamia and turns non-serpents like Yulia into naga addicts.

There are certainly more holes we can poke in her logic, but I doubt most of that would be new information to the Fangs. What we really need to do is to shatter the faction's faith in Renni. And I think I know exactly how to do that: have Goma cast Puppet. Would it be possible for Goma to do something like "tell us truthfully, did you come here because you wanted the mummies here to trap you in bondage?" Or "describe the punishment you'd want to receive from us if we defeated you in combat" because it will probably be very horny. If facts and logic can't convince the Fangs, their leader being a horny loser should do the job just fine~
 
Remin said:
Easy? She blushed when getting identified. I give her down bad/10 on horny scale.
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Yeah, going after her is easier and probably more fun too. But I'm not very good at that sort of thing.

Anyway, these "arguments". I might be more accommodating if you weren't inflicting harm on others, as if that will somehow convince anyone to follow you. But in this case I think the burden of proof lies firmly with you.

The one true god claims to be the only god in the tower, and of the three divine powers is the only one described as a god. That's it. So there is nothing else that could be called a god? Can you eliminate the possibility of any god existing anywhere in the tower (Lemiel, I know you want to object, but is OTG truly omniscient? If one of the other divine forces interfere could something reasonable able to be called a god be hidden from you?) If you can't then you cannot declare anything is not a god based on just the existence of a god. You have confused an absence of evidence with evidence of absence. I also note that the sand mother never called herself a god.

You bring up two other gods. Although only one of those is a self styled. Liloth, for all the many things she is, didn't call herself a god, she was called that by others because of the actions she took and lost that title when her people believed she had betrayed them. Your argument that those called gods bring harm to their followers is by your own admission, wrong. So you lean heavily on the idea that anyone who calls themselves a god is deceptive or delusional. This might well be correct, but the sand mother didn't call herself a god, the same as Liloth, and the OTG although that is more ambiguous. So your key argument here isn't even relevant, a more relevant argument would be that those who are called God by other as a sign that their actions have benefited their followers thus earning the title.

You are now choosing to pick on the word "mother" saying it is not literally true. Really? OK, whatever. You have clearly never heard of adoption. Or learnt about many gods, they are often referred to with parental terms. It is quite normal for strong caring bonds to become parental in this way, perhaps the tower is short of examples but use voices can probably think of dozens each.

Huh, for a lot of talking you didn't make many points. If I may make an observation, a god is one that makes decisions for others. Given that the sand mother allows you to go free because you weren't harming her followers (interestingly trying to convince them she isn't a god is not considered a harm), while you are willing to use any method to force you belief. Who is acting more like a God?

I'm sorry if this is a bit long, I tend to ramble when I make these sorts of arguments.
 
Don't worry. I was honestly hoping for some sort of actual debate response if you guys had decided to go that way. I am excited to write the response already :D
 
Remin, you sniveling toad, what are you doing wasting my time, when you could like my chapters instead?

Well, fine, since I am already here might as well have some fun. Be grateful for the amazing Goddess Ora has in her benevolence decided to take the stage.

Oh my, the little snake girl is playing at being a Hero, eh? How cute.

But I must say, I find it rather droll that the other voices actually want to debate her.

Do you also debate with your pet iguana? Probably, considering you are about as smart as one.



We all know this will end ,with the insecure little snake girl getting humiliated in front of her entire posse here.


Maybe they will strip you naked and have the little Goblin make you admit all your embarrassing secrets?

Or perhaps they just tickle you long enough until you wet yourself, that would be rather fitting too.

Shame we can't give you a spanking, while we are at it. You desperately need one.



But in the end you will be dragged back, tied, gagged and naked to the temple and prostate yourself in front of your Mommy with tears and snot on your face, begging for forgiveness for being such a foolish little girl.. Don't worry, she probably will, but only after taking away every single agency you will ever have. Forget playing Hero, you shouldn't even put in charge of dressing yourself.

Maybe they will allow you to keep your glasses, though. So you can keep reading stories about brave heroines, while knowing that this could never be you because you are too weak and pathetic. Oh, but perhaps Birdie will keep you as a pet. She likes collecting girls and that way you could at least be of some value to the world.
 
Wew. Didn't expect Ora to actually show up. And yep, I think this will be enough....


So merciless.:oops:
 
Seems that it is time to return to the Temple to tell the bad news and cast identify on Sand Mother unless we want to play tourists first and see the Pyramid first.
 
I'll give the idiot half a point for holding up one not especially important part of your argument, but it was really Lemiel's half point so the idiot actually gets nothing. And taking a deal a dark power offered is no better than seeking it out, did it at no point occur to the idiot that the offer would be made for the benefit of that power not someone else? And the idiot claims extreme action is better than the alternative!? Only someone truly idiotic would believe that, someone who believes they could never be wrong. If the idiot were as clever as they believe themselves to be then the idiot would know that when both sides believe they must not lose, the outcome is war, and there is little that is more destructive. If the sand mother was as malevolent as you believed your actions would have killed many people. You are nothing more than a self aggrandising fool that thinks nothing of the consequences.

Right, I think I'm done being very very angry and the depths of stupidity in front of us. I'm now quite sure she has no place making her own decisions. Let's drag her back to the temple and work out what to do next, if we know what power she made a deal with we might be able to work something out, or there might be some other way to solve the problem. Otherwise the people at the temple have a load of thinking to do. She can spend some time debating with the sand mother while her tail is tied down, that should be good fun for all of us.
 
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